Neville's Petition for Naturalization gives the discharge day as 15 March. The scan's OCR renders the year as 1945; the same page renders his birth year 1905 as 1305, and the corpus otherwise converges on March 1943, so the day is taken as new and the year as 1943 pending a re-read of the image.
The source says Neville was honorably discharged at Camp Polk after service from November 1942.
Date (happened)
15 March 1943
stated · preferred
Why
Source passage belongs to a different hist_event's evidence base (1268); cited here as cross-corroboration for the same real-world event.
Reasoning
This event's own witness passage (539624, lecture nid=1433) gives no date at all, only 'While in the army'. The same story -- assuming freedom in imagination and being granted an honorable discharge by the same officer who first denied it -- is already gathered under hist_event 1268 with ten-plus corroborating tellings and an official military-service record fixing the discharge date as 15 March 1943. That record is cited here directly as corroboration for the same real-world event, which this write is also flagging as a likely duplicate.
March 1943
stated · probable
Source
phase-2 canonical event (fingerprint references)
c. 1943
stated
Source
stated by Neville: 1943 (2 statements, told 1971)
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between 1941 and 1945
stated
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between November 1942 and March 1943
stated · probable
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15 March 1943
stated · probable
Source
petition item (9), 'was honorably discharged on March 15, 19_5' — OCR renders the year as 1945
Why
Literal OCR string: 'as honorably discharged on March 15,1945'. Kept verbatim so the image can settle the year.
Reasoning
The naturalization petition gives the DAY of the discharge, which nothing else in the corpus does — the eleven existing claims on this event give only 'March 1943' or 'circa 1943'. The year as OCR'd reads 1945, but the same page renders his birth year 1905 as '1305', so a single digit on this scan is not trustworthy; and November 1942 plus the 'about four months' Neville himself states in passage 544236 lands on March 1943, which is also what five independent lecture passages on this event say. I therefore read the year as 1943 and the new information as the day, 15 March. If a re-read of the image confirms 1945, this claim must be lowered and the year 1945 claim already on event 823 (delta 1) revisited with it.
15 March 1943
stated · probable
Why
Honorably discharged at Camp Polk, Louisiana.
Reasoning
The exact record-like chronology date is preserved at probable confidence because the same page quotes Neville's uncertainty over March or April.
15 March 1943
stated · probable
Why
The page is a secondary transcription of the statement.
Reasoning
The transcribed military statement explicitly says Neville was honorably discharged at Camp Polk, Louisiana, on March 15, 1943.
c. 1943
stated · possible
c. 1943
stated · probable
For my first four months
relative
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between 1942 and 1943
stated
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between 1941 and 1945
stated
c. 1943
stated · probable
Source
"While in the army", told in The Hidden Cause (nid 1433)
c. 1943
stated · probable
within nine days
relative · probable
between 1942 and 1943
stated
c. 1943
stated · probable
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before 1971
bound · possible
Reasoning
Qualifying passage ids [550769] belong to telling lecture nids [1981]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1971 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1971 is the MIN across telling lectures.
before 1968
bound · probable
Reasoning
“I got out of the army… honorably discharged” is a completed past event, before its 1968 telling.
c. March 1943
estimated · probable
Why
M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 023)
Reasoning
Passage 539103: 'I was out in one week, after I began to assume it, honorably discharged.' The database dates his discharge to March 1943 (events 1268, 8415, 15397; drafted 1942-11-19, event 7100).
before 1966
bound · possible
Reasoning
Qualifying passage ids [534329] belong to telling lecture nids [1238]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1966 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1966 is the MIN across telling lectures.
before 8 February 1966
bound
Why
Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1966 to before 1966-02-08.
Reasoning
L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1238 (certain delivery 1966-02-08); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1966`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1966-02-08 on nid 1238 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
before 8 February 1966
bound · probable
Reasoning
The completed discharge predates the telling. Node 1238 has only a lone legacy 1966-02-08 delivery claim, so the upper bound cannot exceed probable.
March 1943
estimated
Why
was the final of merged event 6180.
Reasoning
Neville's own words 'I got out in March of 1943' (passage 530640, node 1116) directly settle the month; no day is given.
between 19 February 1943 and 18 February 1944
relative · probable
Reasoning
He states his age as thirty-eight at the time; hist_event 950 establishes a certain 1905-02-19 birth date, so age 38 bounds the event between 1943-02-19 and 1944-02-18. This is the happening date, not the telling date, and the day within the range is unknown.
before 14 July 1969
bound · probable
Reasoning
Neville explicitly recounts having been honorably discharged and leaving by train; the completed Army episode necessarily predates the lecture's probable 1969-07-14 delivery.
c. 15 March 1943
estimated · probable
Why
M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 026)
Reasoning
Passage 527970: honorably discharged 'that day', aged thirty-eight, little girl only a few months old (Victoria b. 1942-06-28), son in the Marines at Guadalcanal (Aug 1942-Feb 1943). Fits the drafted-Nov-1942, discharged-March-1943 sequence; chronology 8415 (1943-03-15, colonel approves discharge), 1268 and 15397 (1943-03).
19 November 1942
stated · refuted
Why
pm-actor-525: 19 Nov 1942 is not the discharge: the military record (passage 148533) has him inducted 12 Nov 1942 and honorably discharged 15 Mar 1943 at Camp Polk (525).
Told / reported
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26 February 1968
stated · probable
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19 November 1971
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1038 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1038 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1971-11-19 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1957-??-?? refuted; 1970-3-27 refuted; 1971-11-19 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 1: 1970-03-27 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 7: 1970-03-27 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
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19 July 1971
estimated
Reasoning
Passage 544259, already a reverse witness on this event, is the fullest telling of the discharge story ('Nine days later the commanding officer...called me in...honorably discharged') and belongs to lecture nid 1783, whose delivery date is certain from two independent sources. This is the telling date, not the happening date; the happening date stays at 1943-03 probable. No field_told row existed for this telling before this claim -- only the 1963-05-10 telling (nid 1780) was recorded.
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28 March 1969
stated
Source
The Hidden Cause (nid 1433), telling 1433-3, told 1969-03-28
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14 July 1969
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1024 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1024 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1969-7-14 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1957-??-?? refuted; 1958-3-17 refuted; 1969-7-14 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 0: 1958-03-17 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 14: 1958-03-17 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
18 November 1968
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1466 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1466 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1968-11-18 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1969-6-23 refuted; 1968-11-18 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 8: 1969-06-23 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 15: 1969-06-23 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
after 25 February 1964
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1777 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1777 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1964-2-25 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1965-11-12 refuted; 1962-7-14 refuted; 1964-2-25 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 10: 1962-07-14 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 16: 1962-07-14 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
3 February 1969
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1100 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1100 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1969-2-3 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1963-4-23 refuted; 1969-2-3 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 2: 1963-04-23 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
28 March 1969
estimated
Source
delivery claims d0/d1 on lecture nid 1433: legacy catalog #529 (certain) and independent transcript byline '3/28/69' (certain), agreeing
Reasoning
The witness passage does not itself state when Neville is speaking, so the told claim is inherited from the lecture's delivery record (type=estimated per the inheritance rule). Both delivery claims -- the legacy catalog claim and an independently-sourced transcript byline dateline -- agree exactly at certain confidence, so the told claim can carry that same certainty.
2 December 1968
estimated
Reasoning
Passage 552625 belongs to nid 2061, independently dated 1968-12-02 certain by header and catalog.
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8 November 1968
estimated
Reasoning
The army discharge story is recounted in lecture nid 1396, whose delivery is dated certain (1968-11-08) from two independent sources; the telling date is derived from that certain claim.
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19 February 1965
estimated · probable
Reasoning
d0 is the stronger of the two delivery claims (probable vs. d1's possible, year-only); this is the specific telling witnessed by the reverse-direction reference to this event.
8 December 1963
estimated
Reasoning
Passage 530640 is Neville directly narrating the discharge story within lecture nid 1116 ('What Is Truth'). That lecture's delivery date is cleanly double-corroborated: legacy catalog #166 and an independently recovered chrome byline both give 1963-12-08 with no refutation or supersession on this node. This told claim cites that established node-level delivery date directly and is distinct evidence from the dates claim above, which rests solely on the passage's own 1943 wording and never uses the lecture's delivery date -- so it is not a restatement of the same evidence under a different label. || v1.1 type repair: written as `stated` by run v1.1/l4/actor417/6000-6999-b2, retyped `estimated` — the claim cites node 1116, not a passage, so it is this lane's inference rather than something Neville said in so many words (#2117).
2 April 1963
estimated
Reasoning
Two independently-sourced claims on this lecture -- the legacy catalog entry and a chrome header harvested from the transcript (correctly distinguished from a preceding WordPress publish-stamp) -- agree exactly, with no conflicting claim on the node. Told date is written at full certainty.
26 February 1968
estimated
Why
Newly attached witness, found via v11-l4-find.php search on 'nine days' + 'soldiers'; not previously cited by any hist_event.
Reasoning
A second, independent telling of this identical story (naming the colonel, Theodore Bilbow, Jr., who signed the discharge) was found via corpus search at passage 537393 in nid 1332, not previously attached to any hist_event. Its lecture carries a single certain/preferred delivery claim with no conflict.
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27 March 1970
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1038, 1970-3-27) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-11-19. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
27 March 1970
stated · refuted
Why
Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 1 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
Reasoning
Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1038 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1038 delivery claims: 1957-??-?? doubtful; 1970-3-27 doubtful; 1971-11-19 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node. || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1038, 1970-3-27) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-11-19. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
17 March 1958
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1024, 1958-3-17) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1969-7-14. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
23 April 1963
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1100, 1963-4-23) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1969-2-3. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
23 June 1969
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1466, 1969-6-23) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1968-11-18. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
14 July 1962
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1777, 1962-7-14) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1964-2-25. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
Sources
Source
- Imagination Plus Faith ¶9 ("over 38" (lecture, 1971))
- The Secret of the Sperm ¶15 ("38 years old before the 1st of March of 1943")
- The Game of Life ¶30 (That I know from my own experience of getting out of the Army honorably discharged. I didn’t have to run away and then have to face a court martial as one who ran away, and be dishonorably discharged possibly with a few years in jail at hard labor. I got…)
- The Flood Is Still Upon Us ¶1 (So, I simply penetrated the fact and saw myself in New York City, in my own apartment with my family. And in nine days I was out, honorably discharged, in my apartment in New York City.)
- What Is Truth ¶40 (when I wrote him how I got out of the army by believing in scripture, by sleeping physically in the army as though I slept physically in my home 2,000 miles away, and in nine days I was transported physically to my home 2,000 miles away, honorably discha…)
- Commune With Yourself ¶31 (In my own case, here is a man…never saw him until I was drafted. I didn’t now who he was, but he was, in Caesar’s world, my commanding officer. He was a colonel and I was a private and his word was law.)
- The State of Vision ¶20 (I was drafted into the army during World War II, but I wanted no part of it. When my request for a discharge was disapproved, I did not get angry and try to go over the colonel’s head. Instead, I lay down on my army cot, closed my eyes to the other fifty…)
- The Knowledge of God ¶51 (I once tried to help a friend of mine who was a very intelligent, wonderful man, when by this simple law I got out of the army. I was out in one week, after I began to assume it, honorably discharged.)
- The Secret of the Sperm ¶16 (Then came a hand from here down holding a pen and then the voice said to me “That which I have done I have done. Do nothing.” It scratched out disapproved and wrote in a big bold script “Approved”. And then I woke. I did nothing.)
- Step Into the Picture ¶17 (So going to bed physically at Camp Pope, I went to bed in imagination in my home in New York City, — not there on furlough, not there on some little escape, but there honorably discharged.)
- Invisible ¶7 (First, in a practical sense, do it — as I did it on the ship, as I did it to get out of the army, as I do it whenever I’m up against something)
- Imagination Plus Faith (Second Delivery) ¶19 (Well, four o’clock in the morning, before my eyes came a sheet of paper. It looked like the sheet that I got from the colonel, where it was disapproved. And as I looked at it, a hand came out, and it held a pen, and it scratched out the word “disapproved…)
- Neville Goddard's Family – Photo Gallery and Newspaper Clippings — Cool Wisdom Books — 26 (scan of the petition)
- Goddards Homes West Hollywood New York (military chronology and retrospective excerpt)
- Goddards Military Records (Transcribed statement dates honorable discharge at Camp Polk to March 15, 1943.)
- The Finances Of Neville Goddard What He Charged For Lectures And Why He Never Charged For Private Interviews ¶34 (his Army discharge (March 1943))
- Incubate the Dream ¶32 (While wearing some sweaty old army fatigues, I simply imagined that I was living in my own lovely bedroom, and it had an odor so unlike the barracks of the army.)
- God's Almighty Power and Wisdom ¶20 (She said, “Neville, you aren’t running away, this is not AWOL is it?” I said, “No, I’m not any AWOL, I’m honorably discharged. Here are my papers, and now I can take this off right now and get into my civvies.”)
- Imagination ¶29 (I made up my mind that I wanted to get out of the army and then I thought, if I were out, where would I be? Well, I wouldn’t be here picking up pots and doing all these things in the army and being trained. I would be a civilian in New York City in my ow…)
- Believe Him In ¶46 (Two thousand miles from my face, for I was in the army, and 2,000 from my home, I simply sat on the army bed, but in my Imagination, I said to myself, “I am sleeping right now in my own home on my own bed in New York City.”)
- Wonder Working Power ¶11 (When I was in the army, my commanding officer denied my request for discharge. His word was final in the world of Caesar - but not in the world of God, for that very day I assumed I was honorably discharged and living in my apartment in New York City, 20…)
- The Holy One ¶6 (So that night before my face came this sheet and then the arm came out, right to the elbow, it held a pen, and it scratched out “Disapproved” and it boldly wrote in above it “Approved.”)
- The Larger Venture ¶4 (I was in the army, I was thirty-eight, eligible for discharge; made my application; within four hours it came back “disapproved.”)
- The Larger Venture ¶7 (I had a Chinese next to me who made my bed for me, and for that I wrote his letter. I had about four or five men in my company that they couldn’t read or write, and they would say to me, “You tell her I love her. You tell her I’m very lonely.”)
- Raise Imagination to the State of Vision ¶24 (That night I went to bed in my Army cot physically and in the eyes of the other fifty men around Neville Goddard was sleeping on that cot…but he wasn’t there at all. He was 2,000 miles north of there in his own apartment on Washington Square in New York …)
- Test Yourselves ¶37 (I moved from Camp Poke, Louisiana, which is 2,000 miles away, into my apartment on Washington Square in New York City.)
- Awake O Sleeper July 25 Marines Memorial Club San Francisco ¶51 (I went to bed in the barracks, with all the other men around me, and I dared to assume that I was home in New York City, right before my came that same sheet of paper—or one similar—that my Colonel had sent back marked “Disapproved,” and it came down thi…)
- His Eternal Play ¶41 (I sought him in the wind, in the earth, in the sunlight, in the lightning, and finally I heard him in the still small voice speaking from within: “That which I have done, I have done. Do nothing.” And I heard the voice; it came from within; and then I di…)
- Incubate the Dream ¶16 (The voice spoke to me in plain, plain language that no one had to interpret for me: “That which I have done, I have done. Do nothing.”)
- Imagination Plus Faith ¶31 (That same night before my vision about 4:00 in the morning came a huge white sheet, and here on the white sheet was the word “Disapproved,” signed Colonel Theodore Bilbough, Jr. Then came a hand – just a hand with a pen in it, and the pen scratched out t…)
- Speaking From Experience ¶34 (I simply assumed that I was out and slept night after night in the assumption that I am home as an honorably discharged civilian. In nine days, the very man who refused it called me in and then discharged me.)
- God's Almighty Power and Wisdom ¶6 (Then comes a vision, the very thing that I was denied comes before me and it’s all crossed out, and when the Colonel said “Disapproved” the hand of God said “Approved”…wrote it in bold script. Then the voice said to me “That which I have done, I have don…)
- The Two Sides This Teaching ¶25 (And so I dared to assume that I was out and then I mentally acted as I would act were I out and persisted in this state for nine days. On the ninth day, the same one who denied me my freedom granted me my freedom, and I was simply sent out honorably disc…)
- Goddards Military Records (CWB reproduces Neville's nine-day account between rejected and approved discharge applications.)
- Invisible ¶7 (In a practical sense, do it as I did it on the ship; as I did it to get out of the army; as I do it whenever I’m up against something)
- Invisible Things ¶32 (Getting out of the army was a way. You know that way.)
- Goddards Military Records (CWB says the initially disapproved request was approved after nine days.)
- Goddards Military Records ¶0 (official military discharge record giving the exact date, 15 March 1943)
- The Secret of the Sperm ¶17 (Neville's own telling of the colonel calling him in nine days later)
- Raise Imagination to the State of Vision ¶25 (Nine days later, the same colonel...Colonel Theodore Bilbow, Jr. of Mississippi...called me in...at the end of my interview he said, 'Alright, Goddard, you are now honorably discharged.')
- Imagination ¶29
- God's Almighty Power ¶4 (Then, in vision, I saw my discharge paper with the word “Disapproved” crossed out and the hand of God write “Approved” above it in bold script. And when I heard the words: “That which I have done, I have done. Do nothing!” I did nothing. Nine days later …)