Empty Lot / Fifth Avenue Vision, June 15 1962

Date (happened)
between 1960 and 1962
unresolved
  1. between 1960 and 1962 stated · probable · preferred
    Source Esau-Jacob-Israel ¶36
    Why M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 019)
    Reasoning Combines the certain 'before 1963-02-12' bound (passage 529573) with the 'a few years ago' estimate anchored to the 1965 telling (passage 546838), narrower than the existing 1960-1964 preferred claim.
  2. 15 June 1962 stated · probable
    Source phase-2 canonical event (fingerprint references)
  3. before 1900 bound · doubtful
    Source I Remember When ¶0"Many years ago", told in I Remember When (nid 1350)
    Reasoning v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1: type stated -> bound. The number 1900 is never stated; it is inferred from the past-tense mention that the Fifth Avenue mansions 'lined the avenue at the turn of the century' and that Neville arrived in New York in 1922, an incidental period detail, not a direct boundary assertion. || v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900: year 1900 here is not a date. `corpus v1 / phase3b` emitted it as a placeholder for "unknown, sometime before the telling" whenever the speaker used a vague temporal phrase — this row's own source note is the phrase. The same sentinel was identified and converged on in run v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv. It carried confidence `probable`, which no evidence supported. Lowered to `doubtful`; an honest `before 1968-04-10` bound is appended alongside from the telling lecture (nid 1350). Nothing deleted, no year invented.
  4. c. 1900 stated · doubtful
    Source The Potter's House ¶13"many years ago", told in The Potter's House (nid 1752)
    Reasoning || v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900: year 1900 here is not a date. `corpus v1 / phase3b` emitted it as a placeholder for "unknown, sometime before the telling" whenever the speaker used a vague temporal phrase — this row's own source note is the phrase. The same sentinel was identified and converged on in run v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv. It carried confidence `probable`, which no evidence supported. Lowered to `doubtful`; an honest `before 1971-10-25` bound is appended alongside from the telling lecture (nid 1752). Nothing deleted, no year invented.
  5. between 1960 and 1964 stated · probable
    Source The Law ¶13"many of you present heard it a few years ago", told in The Law 2 (nid 1852)
  6. One night relative · probable
    Source All Things Are Possible to Him Who Believes ¶13"One night", told in All Things Are Possible Him Who Believes (nid 1915)
    Said as One night
    counted from All Things Are Possible to Him Who Believes
  7. before 10 April 1968 bound
    Source bound from the telling lecture nid 1350 (1968-04-10)
    Reasoning The event is told in the past tense in nid 1350, delivered 1968-04-10 (that claim's confidence: certain, preferred), so it had happened by that date. This is the same premise phase4 L6a and L4.5 rest on, stated at the precision the evidence actually supports rather than as a fabricated year. It replaces nothing: the 1900 placeholder row remains, lowered, as the record of what phase3b did. `bound` is never `preferred`, so this does not change what the event displays.
  8. before 25 October 1971 bound · probable
    Source bound from the telling lecture nid 1752 (1971-10-25)
    Reasoning The event is told in the past tense in nid 1752, delivered 1971-10-25 (that claim's confidence: probable, preferred), so it had happened by that date. This is the same premise phase4 L6a and L4.5 rest on, stated at the precision the evidence actually supports rather than as a fabricated year. It replaces nothing: the 1900 placeholder row remains, lowered, as the record of what phase3b did. `bound` is never `preferred`, so this does not change what the event displays.
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  1. before 12 February 1963 bound
    Source Esau-Jacob-Israel ¶36
    Reasoning Passage 529573 states 'Like that vision I had on Fifth Avenue' in past tense. The lecture node 1079, which contains this passage, is delivered 1963-02-12 with confidence certain. Therefore the vision occurred before this date. This is a direct computation from the packet: the passage witnesses the event as already past, and the node gives the date of that telling.
Place
Fifth Avenue possible
Persons
Neville Goddard
Told / reported
  1. 12 February 1963 stated
    Source Esau-Jacob-IsraelEsau-Jacob-Israel (nid 1079), telling 1079-4, told 1963-02-12
  2. 10 April 1968 stated
    Source I Remember WhenI Remember When (nid 1350), telling 1350-0, told 1968-04-10
  3. 8 May 1964 stated
    Source Speaking from ExperienceSpeaking From Experience (nid 1823), telling 1823-3, told 1964-05-08
  4. 5 November 1969 stated · possible
    Source All Things Are Possible to Him Who BelievesAll Things Are Possible Him Who Believes (nid 1915), telling 1915-0, told 1969-11-05
  5. 5 November 1969 stated · possible
    Source All Things Are Possible to Him Who BelievesAll Things Are Possible Him Who Believes (nid 1915), telling 1915-0, told 1969-11-05
    Why Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 4 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
    Reasoning Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1915 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1915 delivery claims: 1955-??-?? doubtful; 1967-11-3 possible; 1969-11-5 possible; 1969-5-12 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node.
  6. 25 October 1971 estimated · probable
    Source The Potter's Housenid 1752 surviving delivery claim after refutation. All claims: 1957-??-?? refuted; 1971-10-25 probable (preferred)
    Why Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
    Reasoning Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1752 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1752 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1971-10-25 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1957-??-?? refuted; 1971-10-25 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 2: 1957-00-00 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 5: 1957-00-00 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
  7. 12 February 1965 estimated · probable
    Source The Law
    Reasoning Passage 546838 in lecture node 1852 tells the vision. The node's preferred delivery claim is 1965-02-12 at confidence probable (exact tuple match). Per rule C, a told claim citing a node is type estimated and confidence cannot exceed the strongest delivery claim with the same date tuple, so confidence is capped at probable.
  8. 12 May 1969 estimated · probable
    Source All Things Are Possible to Him Who Believes
    Reasoning Passage 548872 in lecture node 1915 tells the vision. The node's surviving preferred delivery claim after adjudication is 1969-05-12 at confidence probable (exact tuple match). Per rule C, a told claim citing a node is type estimated and confidence cannot exceed the strongest delivery claim with the same date tuple, so confidence is capped at probable. This corrects the missing told date for this node without modifying existing possible claims at 1969-11-05.
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  1. 1957 stated · refuted
    Source The Potter's HouseThe Potter's House (nid 1752), telling 1752-0, told 1957
    Reasoning || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1752, 1957--) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-10-25. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
  2. 1957 stated · refuted
    Source The Potter's HouseThe Potter's House (nid 1752), telling 1752-0, told 1957
    Why Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 2 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
    Reasoning Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1752 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1752 delivery claims: 1957-??-?? doubtful; 1971-10-25 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node. || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1752, 1957--) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-10-25. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
Sources

Source

  • Esau-Jacob-Israel ¶36 (Like that vision I had on Fifth Avenue. Looking at an empty lot I would say: “I remember when it was an empty lot.”)
  • I Remember When ¶0 (Many years ago I found myself in spirit in the interior of one of the great mansions on 5th Avenue in New York City, the mansions that lined the avenue at the turn of the century.)
  • The Potter's House ¶13 (I was taken in spirit in what would be the turn of the Century in New York City on Fifth Avenue, when they had these huge palatial homes, fully staffed, for these great financial giants of the day.)
  • Speaking from Experience ¶17 (I woke, it was about three in the morning, and I wrote the entire vision out. Then I went back to bed and re-dreamed the dream, but this time as I re-dreamed it I was grandfather.)
  • The Law ¶13 (Then I woke and found myself on my bed…it was around three in the morning. I got out and wrote it out on a big yellow page, the entire story. It was too early to remain up, so I went back to bed and re-dreamed the dream.)
  • All Things Are Possible to Him Who Believes ¶13 (I found myself in New York City on 5th Avenue at the turn of the century in one enormous mansion.)
  • I Remember When ¶17
  • The Law ¶11
8 tellings, oldest first. A date in brackets shows how it is known; "circa", "after" and "possible" dates are rough.
Date Lecture or book Telling Passage
1963-02-12 [exact/certain/final] Esau-Jacob-Israel The one that comes first – Esau, the elder – and he serves the younger. Who is he? What is Jacob’s name? The supplanter. He looks at the world and he doesn’t like it. Like that vision I had on Fifth Avenue. Looking at an empty lot I would say: “I remember when it was an empty lot.” It still is an empty lot to my outer senses, but I am not interested in my outer senses. I would build a word picture as I desired this lot to be. I would say: “I remember when it was an empty lot,” and still to outer appearances it is an empty lot, but not to me or to those who had that so-called dream. That is… 529573
1964-05-08 [exact/certain/final] Speaking from Experience I woke, it was about three in the morning, and I wrote the entire vision out. Then I went back to bed and re-dreamed the dream, but this time as I re-dreamed it I was grandfather. I had so completely absorbed the message that I found myself in the same mansion with the same people and I told them that I remember when I’m standing on an empty lot, “I remember when this was an empty lot.” Then I would paint the word picture of my desire for that lot and paint it so vividly, so graphically they all saw it. And then I woke. 545666
1965-02-12 [exact/probable/preferred] The Law Let me go back to a thought that came a few years ago from Robert Frost, he said, “The founding fathers did not believe in the future, they believed it in.” The greatest thing and the most creative thing in man is to believe a thing in. 546836
1965-02-12 [exact/probable/preferred] The Law Well, I have heard that word time and time again, and I try every time that I hear it to reach anyone I’m telling. Well, here is one…and many of you present heard it a few years ago…one morning, early in the morning, I had this experience. I’m standing in an enormous mansion on Fifth Avenue in New York City and three generations are supposed to be present. One is invisible—-he is spoken of as “Grandfather.” There are two generations, the second and the third, and the second generation is telling the story of Grandfather. The second one tells this story, “Grandfather used to say while standing… 546838
1968-04-10 [exact/certain/preferred] I Remember When When one receives a great revelation concerning the creative power of God, they cannot keep it to themselves. I do not believe that many of you ever heard this before, for it came to me many years ago. If you did hear it, hear it for the second time, and I’m quite sure you were not taking recordings of the talks. I do not think you have it on tape. But it is truly a great revelation concerning how to create in this wonderful world of ours. Many years ago I found myself in spirit in the interior of one of the great mansions on 5th Avenue in New York City, the mansions that lined the avenue at… 537896
1968-04-10 [exact/certain/preferred] I Remember When And so, this is something revealed to me many years ago. And the mere fact that I returned to bed and re-dreamed the dream affirmed it and made it principle, the principle. You can’t rub out principle. This is something that everyone can prove. 537913
1969-05-12 [exact/probable/preferred] All Things Are Possible to Him Who Believes Now, we are told that God, who is my own wonderful human Imagination, speaks to me and speaks to you through the medium of dream, and reveals himself in vision. One night it was shown me so clearly how to do it. I found myself in New York City on 5th Avenue at the turn of the century in one enormous mansion. And here in this mansion there were two generations, but they spoke of a third. The third was invisible…that was the grandfather. They spoke of grandfather or father depending upon which generation spoke. Here, this enormous mansion…everything that money could buy is in the mansion. This… 548872
1971-10-25 [exact/probable/final] The Potter's House Well, many years ago I had this vision. I was taken in spirit in what would be the turn of the Century in New York City on Fifth Avenue, when they had these huge palatial homes, fully staffed, for these great financial giants of the day. This was before income taxes took it from them. If you made ten million, you kept ten million. You spent it, but you didn’t pay anything in income taxes. So, these palatial homes were all on Fifth Avenue, and they kept their stables on the West Side. They were enormous homes. A few were left when I came to New York City in 1922. The Vanderbilts and the Astors… 542958