Neville recounts being 'called' in 1929, not understanding at the time what the experience meant, and says it took thirty years of inward preparation -- 'like a gestation' -- before the same indwelling presence fully unfolded within him in 1959. He describes this culmination as finally recognizing who that presence was and realizing they were one and the same: 'there were not two of us then, just one.'
Date (happened)
20 July 1959
stated · preferred
1959
stated · probable
Source
phase-2 canonical event (fingerprint references)
between 1929 and 1959
stated
Source
"The year was 1929 ... thirty years later ... in 1959", told in Who Is the Real Messiah (nid 1096)
c. December 1959
stated · probable
Source
"A few months later", told in Behold the Dreamer Cometh (nid 1439)
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c. 1900
stated · doubtful
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900: year 1900 here is not a date. `corpus v1 / phase3b` emitted it as a placeholder for "unknown, sometime before the telling" whenever the speaker used a vague temporal phrase — this row's own source note is the phrase. The same sentinel was identified and converged on in run v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv. It carried confidence `probable`, which no evidence supported. Lowered to `doubtful`; an honest `before 1969-02-07` bound is appended alongside from the telling lecture (nid 1845). Nothing deleted, no year invented.
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before 7 February 1969
bound
Source
bound from the telling lecture nid 1845 (1969-02-07)
Reasoning
The event is told in the past tense in nid 1845, delivered 1969-02-07 (that claim's confidence: certain, preferred), so it had happened by that date. This is the same premise phase4 L6a and L4.5 rest on, stated at the precision the evidence actually supports rather than as a fabricated year. It replaces nothing: the 1900 placeholder row remains, lowered, as the record of what phase3b did. `bound` is never `preferred`, so this does not change what the event displays.
10 November 1967
stated · refuted
Source
"tonight", told in Come O' Blessed (nid 1304)
Why
pm-actor-525: refuted by the M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 018): 'tonight' dates the telling (Come O' Blessed, nid 1304), not the 1929-1959 calling it recounts.
11 December 1970
stated · refuted
Source
"tonight", told in Hope Deferred (nid 2132)
Why
pm-actor-525: refuted by the M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 018): 'tonight' dates the telling (Hope Deferred, nid 2132), not the calling.
Told / reported
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10 November 1967
stated · doubtful
Source
Come O' Blessed (nid 1304), telling 1304-8, told 1967-11-10
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18 December 1967
stated · possible
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9 December 1968
stated · doubtful
14 April 1969
stated · doubtful
Source
Behold the Dreamer Cometh (nid 1439), telling 1439-0, told 1969-04-14
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20 September 1969
stated · doubtful
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15 December 1968
stated · doubtful
20 February 1969
stated · doubtful
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18 December 1967
stated · possible
Why
Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 10 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
Reasoning
Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1315 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1315 delivery claims: 1967-12-18 possible; 1967-12-11 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node.
14 April 1969
stated · doubtful
Source
Behold the Dreamer Cometh (nid 1439), telling 1439-0, told 1969-04-14
Why
Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 14 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
Reasoning
Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1439 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1439 delivery claims: 1969-4-14 doubtful; 1969-9-19 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node.
20 September 1969
stated · doubtful
Why
Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 17 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
Reasoning
Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1478 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1478 delivery claims: 1969-9-20 doubtful; 1969-9-22 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node.
20 February 1969
stated · doubtful
Why
Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 22 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
Reasoning
Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1800 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1800 delivery claims: 1969-2-20 doubtful; 1969-2-10 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node.
18 June 1971
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1055 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1055 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1971-6-18 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1959-5-10 refuted; 1971-6-18 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 1: 1959-05-10 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 29: 1959-05-10 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
11 June 1971
estimated · probable
Source
nid 1096 surviving delivery claim after refutation. All claims: 1963-4-9 refuted; 1971-6-11 probable (preferred)
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1096 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1096 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1971-6-11 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1963-4-9 refuted; 1971-6-11 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 2: 1963-04-09 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 30: 1963-04-09 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
5 February 1963
estimated
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1710 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1710 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1963-2-5 at `certain`. All claims on the node: 1952-7-7 refuted; 1963-2-5 certain; 1969-8-8 refuted; 1963-2-5 certain (preferred). Superseded here: delta 20: 1969-08-08 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
1 March 1968
estimated
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1890 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1890 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1968-3-1 at `certain`. All claims on the node: 1957-??-?? refuted; 1968-3-1 certain; 1968-1-3 refuted; 1968-3-1 certain (preferred). Superseded here: delta 24: 1968-01-03 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
6 December 1966
estimated
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1759 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1759 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1966-12-6 at `certain`. All claims on the node: 1965-2-2 refuted; 1966-11-30 refuted; 1966-12-1 refuted; 1966-12-6 certain (preferred). Superseded here: delta 21: 1965-02-02 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
11 June 1971
estimated
Why
Three delivery claims present, all converging on 1971 (two on the exact day 06-11); took the certain/confirmed one, [d2].
Reasoning
Lecture nid 3978 carries 3 delivery claims: [d0] circa 1971 (probable, extraction-note derived), [d1] exact 1971-06-11 (possible, marked 'weak' -- content reasoning only, from the July-1959 experience being 'twelve years this coming month'), and [d2] exact 1971-06-11 (certain, 'confirmed' -- a recovered source-page chrome header reading 'Neville Goddard June 11, 1971', cross-confirmed by the same twelve-years-since-1959 content reasoning as [d1]). Taking [d2]: it is the most confident and most precise claim, and all three claims agree on 1971, so there is no real disagreement, only increasing precision/confidence across the three.
10 May 1959
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1055, 1959-5-10) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-6-18. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
9 April 1963
stated · refuted
Source
Who Is the Real Messiah (nid 1096), telling 1096-3, told 1963-04-09
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1096, 1963-4-9) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-6-11. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
21 August 1969
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-lower: lowered `certain` -> `doubtful`. The telling-date 1969-08-21 is refuted on the source lecture (nid 1474) and no live claim on that node supports it, so the corpus can no longer say WHEN this was told. ⛔ The row is KEPT, not retired: it also records THAT nid 1474 tells this event, which is true and checkable from the passages, and retiring it would discard that with the date.
8 August 1969
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1710, 1969-8-8) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1963-2-5. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
2 February 1965
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1759, 1965-2-2) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1966-12-6. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
3 January 1968
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1890, 1968-1-3) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1968-3-1. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
10 May 1959
stated · refuted
Why
Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 1 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
Reasoning
Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1055 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1055 delivery claims: 1959-5-10 doubtful; 1971-6-18 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node. || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1055, 1959-5-10) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-6-18. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
9 April 1963
stated · refuted
Source
Who Is the Real Messiah (nid 1096), telling 1096-3, told 1963-04-09
Why
Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 2 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
Reasoning
Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1096 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1096 delivery claims: 1963-4-9 possible; 1971-6-11 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node. || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1096, 1963-4-9) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-6-11. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
Sources
Source
- The Most Precious Gift ¶7 (Then one day, without warning, with the most sudden, sudden shockingness, the story of Jesus unfolded itself within me, casting me in the central role.)
- Who Paul Really Is ¶18 (And the day will come, I will awaken, as I have awakened in my skull and come out through that tube . . that very small opening. I pushed my way out, to discover the entire drama unfolding before me.)
- What Is His Name ¶17 (I can only share with you the ending of the drama as it has ended in my life.)
- The Last Days ¶14 (I know, for when I awoke within my skull I had no memory of how or when I was placed there, I only knew I was alone in an empty skull, and I came out of it just as a child comes out of the womb of a woman.)
- The Real Man ¶10 (Well, may I tell you from my own personal experience, when I awoke within this skull of mine there were no openings. How did I get into it in the first place? Did someone put me there, or was I led there, was I enticed there?)
- The Congregation of God ¶25 (It’s broken in me. I have experienced the entire story of the gospel. I do not know of one little part of it that I haven’t experienced.)
- He Stirs in Me ¶31 (For a moment I heard them as coming from without, as though they were spoken by another; then I heard them as coming from within but still spoken by another; until I heard them as coming from myself and I am the one speaking.)
- The Most Practical, Yet Most Profoundly Spiritual ¶13 (The unfolding of scripture could come to him suddenly, now, as it has to three of us present tonight.)
- Jesus Christ, the True Identity of Man ¶21 (So, I’ll tell you I’m not an intellectual. What I know of the Christian mystery is not from learning; it is all from revelation. It all was revealed within me. It came quite suddenly and, may I tell you, quite unexpectedly.)
- Christmas, the Birth of Christ in Man ¶8 (Everything said of the character called Jesus Christ in scripture I have experienced, all within me.)
- What Is Truth ¶9 (In my own case, however, I will not wear a body of death any longer; for the Word has erupted within me. I know scripture is true from beginning to end, for I have experienced it.)
- Brazen Impudence ¶26 (So I have made it alive because I have experienced it. So you saw correctly: The two widely separated in time are closely woven in the tapestry of life.)
- Partakers of the Divine Nature ¶27 (Everything said in the story concerning his birth, with witnesses, with everything…where I can actually claim I am the Father because the Son called me Father…the only Son called me Father .)
- Dreamer 2 ¶8 (This I do know, for he who is in the depth of my own being said to me: “I laid myself down within you to sleep and as I slept I dreamed a dream. I dreamed that I am you.”)
- The Sphere Within ¶10 (One day in 1959, having been prepared because of the parts I have played throughout my long journey, I was magnetically drawn into that sphere.)
- The Promise's Fulfillment in You ¶15 (And I know that when I awoke within me, I wondered, “How did I get here? Who put me here?” For this is a tomb.)
- The Nature of God ¶5 (I could no more deny my experiences of Christ unfolding within me, than I can deny the fact that I am standing before you now. And I am not unique.)
- Resurrection ¶5 (All was foretold me but naught could I foresee, but I learned who Jesus Christ really is after the story was re-enacted in me.)
- Who AM I ¶12 (I was born and raised in the Christian faith, and I was taught to believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. I did not know that he was actually, literally, God the Father until it happened in me.)
- The Bible: Your Spiritual Biography ¶40 (The letter qoph is this, and you and I have no idea - I know I had none. I thought I was still alive.)
- Word 2 ¶14 (Long before it actually unfolds—in the form of the child, and David, and the tearing of the curtain of my body from top to bottom, and my ascent into the heaven of heavens, and then the dove—long before, I was sensing the power that was rising within me.)
- When Spirit Truth Comes ¶10 (He stands before me and calls me Father, and I know I am his Father and he knows he is my Son.)
- Christmas, The Redeeming Message ¶7 (So as I stand before you, I can tell you they did happen.)
- Maker Maker Things ¶32 (I was not a spectator of another; I was the actor playing the part, the very part that is written up in the gospels as played by Jesus Christ.)
- Manner Jesus Birth Sign ¶10 (Now in our world here I have told you what has happened to me, that I have fulfilled scripture.)
- They Related Their Own Experiences ¶26 (If I know exactly what they experienced on The Way, well, I know exactly what they experienced, because I have experienced it in detail. Every little detail of that entire story I have experienced.)
- Imaginal Acts Become Facts ¶42 (I was taught to believe the whole thing took place 2,000 years ago. Then to discover it isn’t so at all — it has no reference to position in time, and no reference as to duration.)
- Initiative ¶25 (Well, He woke within me on the morning of the 20th of July, 1959. That’s when He woke. And then, five months later, He revealed Himself as Father—not a Father out there, but in me as Father. And His son stood before me and called me “Father.”)
- Tloa Lecturethe Smile ¶14 (I find that suddenly the ark is my own being, and it’s torn in two from top to bottom.)
- Moses Joshua ¶40 (I am telling you what I personally have experienced. I was never taught it by a man. I never read it in a book. I never heard it. It simply erupted within me, the whole drama as recorded in scripture.)
- Hope Deferred ¶28 (And yet here I am, a mortal man, tonight feeling a little bit choking with a cold. Very, very mortal with all the weaknesses of human flesh, all the restrictions and limitations of this cross.)
- Who Is Jesus ¶4 (Well, he revealed himself to me as the dreamer in me. He said, “I laid myself down within you to sleep, and as I slept I dreamed a dream.” I dreamed, and I knew what he was dreaming: he is dreaming that he is I, and that when he awakes, I am he.)
- David Christ ¶16 (I can’t tell anyone the shock that was mine when it unfolded itself in me. I was raised in a Christian home and considered myself, and still do, a Christian.)
- Jehovahs Messiah (Unresolved ASR Witness) ¶34 (So, in due time, thirty years later He unfolded Himself within me – in 1959. It took Him thirty years in preparation within me, like a gestation; and then suddenly He rose within me.)
- Where Are You Staying (Where Do You Live Psychologically) ¶6 (That is the confirmation I’ve been waiting for since the experience of Christ awoke within me.)