Neville tells of an experience from many years earlier in which he relived the crucifixion by fulfilling the 42nd Psalm: hearing a voice in the depths of his own soul proclaim "I am God," he became man. He frames this as timeless rather than historical -- the crucifixion did not occur in 1 A.D. but "in the beginning of time" -- and connects it to the 82nd Psalm's declaration that those in the divine council are gods who must die to become man. He adds that 139 days after this awakening, God's son David revealed him as Father, the same marker he uses elsewhere for his 1959 mystical experience.
Date (happened)
20 July 1959
stated · preferred
1959
stated · probable
Source
phase-2 canonical event (fingerprint references)
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between 1905 and 1959
stated · probable
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that night
relative · probable
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At 4:00 in the morning
relative · probable
Source
"At 4:00 in the morning", told in The I of Man (Unresolved ASR Witness) (nid 3987)
c. 1959
relative · probable
Why
See merge_proposal below: this event is very likely the same underlying 1959 experience as hist_event 1433, told here under a different scriptural frame.
Reasoning
'Many years ago' has no fixed anchor on its own, but the very next passage in the same telling (539520) says '139 days after I awoke and rose from my tomb, God's only begotten son, David, revealed me as his father' -- the identical 139-day marker used across all sixteen tellings already gathered under hist_event 1433, 'The 1959 Skull Vibration', which converge on 1959 (most precisely 1959-07-20). This is almost certainly the same one-time experience recounted with a different scriptural frame (Psalm 42/crucifixion rather than the skull-vibration imagery), so the year is set to 1959 at circa/probable rather than certain, since this telling itself gives no month or day.
1959
stated
Why
See merge_proposal: this appears to be the same 1959 experience already gathered under hist_event 1433.
Reasoning
Neville directly and repeatedly states 1959 as the year of his own calling and sending, contrasting his teaching before and after that year. This is a directly stated year, confirmed twice within the same lecture.
20 July 1959
stated
Why
See merge_proposal: this is very likely the same experience already gathered under hist_event 1433.
Reasoning
Neville directly states the full date of his awakening: the 20th day of July, 1959. This exact date -- 1959-07-20 -- is also the date already established for hist_event 1433's 'The 1959 Skull Vibration', corroborated there by nine of its sixteen witnesses.
c. 1908
stated · probable
Told / reported
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after 20 July 1959
stated · probable
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22 September 1967
estimated
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1283 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1283 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1967-9-22 at `certain`. All claims on the node: 1967-9-22 certain; 1968-7-18 refuted; 1967-9-22 certain (preferred). Superseded here: delta 1: 1968-07-18 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
20 October 1967
estimated
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1553 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1553 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1967-10-20 at `certain`. All claims on the node: 1967-10-20 certain; 1968-7-26 refuted; 1967-10-20 certain (preferred). Superseded here: delta 3: 1968-07-26 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
19 September 1969
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1758 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1758 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1969-9-19 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1965-2-23 refuted; 1969-9-19 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 4: 1965-02-23 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 11: 1965-02-23 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
24 February 1969
estimated
Reasoning
The witness passage does not itself state when Neville is speaking, so the told claim is inherited from the lecture's delivery record (type=estimated per the inheritance rule). Both delivery claims -- the legacy catalog claim and an independently-sourced transcript byline dateline -- agree exactly at certain confidence, so the told claim can carry that same certainty.
2 May 1969
estimated
Reasoning
The witness passages do not themselves state when Neville is speaking, so the told claim is inherited from the lecture's delivery record (type=estimated per the inheritance rule). Lane L2 already worked through this lecture's date conflict in detail across two passes (w2b, w2c): the transcript's own chrome header dateline (5/2/69, a Friday, a documented lecture night) was kept at certain, while the competing catalog claim (1969-05-04, a Sunday) was demoted to doubtful because one document can only have one true delivery date and the internal dateline is primary evidence in canonical position. This write follows that already-settled resolution rather than re-litigating it.
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12 March 1963
estimated
Source
delivery claims d0/d1 on lecture nid 2007 -- source-header dateline and chrome byline, both agreeing on '03-12-1963'
Reasoning
Passage 551389 is Neville himself speaking, in first person, of having received the grace of God -- the second birth from above -- despite his own sense of unworthiness; this is the telling. The lecture containing it, nid 2007, is dated 1963-03-12 by two independently sourced, mutually agreeing delivery claims. The telling inherits that converged exact/certain precision and confidence.
18 July 1968
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1283, 1968-7-18) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1967-9-22. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
26 July 1968
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1553, 1968-7-26) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1967-10-20. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
23 February 1965
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1758, 1965-2-23) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1969-9-19. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
23 February 1965
stated · refuted
Why
Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 4 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
Reasoning
Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1758 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1758 delivery claims: 1965-2-23 doubtful; 1969-9-19 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node. || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1758, 1965-2-23) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1969-9-19. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
Sources
Source
- The Most Precious Gift ¶9 (And when the whole thing gathered itself together, I found myself seated and looking at a lamp and here is David of Biblical fame, leaning against the side of an open door and looking out at a pastoral scene.)
- Prophetic Sketches ¶6 (Yet, when the vibration possessed me I began to awaken as I have never awakened before, to find myself completely entombed in my skull. I was alone and the tomb was completely sealed.)
- Resurrection ¶22 (He pushes his head through the opening and squeezes himself out inch by inch in the same manner that a child is born from his mother’s womb.)
- The Signs of the End ¶36 (The night it happened to me, on the 20th day of July of 1959 – eight years ago – in the City of San Francisco, I hadn’t the slightest idea that this was in store for me that night. I went to sleep normally. I called my wife and daughter in Beverly Hills …)
- Dreamer 2 ¶51 (In my own case, I slept that night as I had the previous fifty-odd years of my life, and then this sudden vibration in my head to awaken me from a dream.)
- Jesus Christ: Your Creative Power ¶13 (He makes the announcement, calling you by name; in my case my name is Neville, so he said, “Why it’s Neville’s baby.” The other two men said in the most incredulous voice, “How can Neville have a baby?”)
- Spiritual States ¶31 (I can’t tell anyone the shock to live for fifty…well, that happened in ’59…so fifty-four; I was born in 1905, so fifty-four—to be here for fifty-four years believing that every morning I was awake.)
- Mystery Election ¶13 (for I know, in my own case, I awoke. It wasn’t another that I saw, I awoke. I was raised. I, myself, was resurrected in a tomb—the same tomb in which Christ was buried, this universal diffused being in all the tombs of the world, our skulls.)
- Signs End July 26 Marines Memorial Club San Francisco ¶10 (I am in my skull, and my skull is a tomb. It is an actual tomb, and I am in my skull, and the skull is sealed. There is no opening. I am fully awake, as I have never been awake before – as though I had been sleeping for unnumbered centuries, and now for …)
- God's Promise to Man ¶4 (One night I went to sleep quite normally in the city of San Francisco, and in the wee hours of the morning a most intense vibration was taking place in my head and I begin to awake. Instead of awakening on the bed in my hotel room, I am awakening in my s…)
- The Secret of Imagining and A Mystical Experience ¶32 (Looking back to the bed, I discovered that my body was gone but in its place sat my three oldest brothers. My oldest brother sat where the head was. My second and third brothers sat where the feet were.)
- Hear O Israel ¶10 (In my own case, I thought this is a massive earthquake and I can survive it — that’s what I thought — that was almost twelve years ago, come this July — and I thought that every little bone in my body was going to separate.)
- Feel Chosen ¶31 (And who found himself within the tomb and knew it to be his own skull? You would answer I. And who then knew how to come out? You would say I.)
- Gods Seven Eyes ¶3 (It was the 20th of July, 1959. My return to Zion was preceded by a dream.)
- Experience Scripture ¶19 (At 4:00 in the morning, this strange, peculiar vibration began in my head―something I had never felt before. And my interpretation of what I felt was, “This must be a massive hemorrhage.”)
- John The Crown of Scripture ¶12 (So, I tell you from my own personal experience this is what is going to happen to you. It’s going to come suddenly, without warning.)
- Grace versus Law ¶21 (I hadn’t the slightest idea that I was dead, and to find myself walking this earth for fifty-odd years and suddenly to find myself awakening in a tomb?)
- Grace versus Law ¶21 (I have done unnumbered things of which I would be ashamed, and still feel I am capable under stress of doing things of which I would be ashamed. And yet, I have had the grace of God, the second birth from above.)