Family Business Turning Point (1922)
Date (happened)
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1922
stated · probable
Source
phase-2 canonical event (fingerprint references)
c. 1955
stated · probable
c. 1900
stated · doubtful
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900: year 1900 here is not a date. `corpus v1 / phase3b` emitted it as a placeholder for "unknown, sometime before the telling" whenever the speaker used a vague temporal phrase — this row's own source note is the phrase. The same sentinel was identified and converged on in run v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv. It carried confidence `certain`, which no evidence supported. Lowered to `doubtful`; an honest `before 1969-10-19` bound is appended alongside from the telling lecture (nid 1145). Nothing deleted, no year invented.
c. 1928
stated
Source
"forty years ago when it happened", told in Christ Is Your Life (nid 1388)
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c. 1928
stated · probable
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between 1922 and 1924
stated
before 19 October 1969
bound · probable
Source
bound from the telling lecture nid 1145 (1969-10-19)
Reasoning
The event is told in the past tense in nid 1145, delivered 1969-10-19 (that claim's confidence: probable, preferred), so it had happened by that date. This is the same premise phase4 L6a and L4.5 rest on, stated at the precision the evidence actually supports rather than as a fabricated year. It replaces nothing: the 1900 placeholder row remains, lowered, as the record of what phase3b did. `bound` is never `preferred`, so this does not change what the event displays.
c. 1928
relative · probable
Source
Neville says the collapse happened forty years ago.
Reasoning
Subtracting the round forty-year interval from the adjudicated 1968 carrier yields circa 1928; the passage does not justify finer precision.
between 1958 and 1959
stated · refuted
Why
pm-actor-525: refuted by the M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 004): 'when, say five, six years ago' (passage 546095) does not fit the five other direct 1922 tellings of the same family story; likely a loose rhetorical aside, not a competing date.
Told / reported
4 September 1965
stated · doubtful
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18 December 1968
stated · doubtful
Source
Christ Is Your Life (nid 1388), telling 1388-1, told 1968-12-18
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May 1970
stated · probable
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19 October 1969
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1145 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1145 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1969-10-19 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1964-2-24 refuted; 1969-5-2 refuted; 1969-10-19 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 1: 1969-05-02 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
6 December 1966
estimated
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1759 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1759 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1966-12-6 at `certain`. All claims on the node: 1965-2-2 refuted; 1966-11-30 refuted; 1966-12-1 refuted; 1966-12-6 certain (preferred). Superseded here: delta 5: 1965-02-02 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
2 May 1969
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1145, 1969-5-2) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1969-10-19. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
2 February 1965
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1759, 1965-2-2) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1966-12-6. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
Sources
Source
- Order Your Conversations Aright ¶14 (he told me that when he saw the sign on a building that had the name P. N. Roach and Company, he made it spell “J. N. Goddard & Sons.” When he confided to my Mother, my Mother said, “Vic, don’t do it. We have no money, and it’s only going to hurt you. Yo…)
- I AM the Cause ¶27 (Twice a day, on his way to work and return, he would stop opposite a building which occupied an entire block at the widest area of the main street, and there he would imagine seeing the words: “Goddard and Sons” on its marquee.)
- A Movement Within God ¶23 (Victor would stand before one of the largest buildings in the island and see “J.N. Goddard and Sons” on the marquee, rather than the existing “F.N. Roach and Company”. This he did every day until the idea was fixed in his mind’s eye.)
- Ends Ultimate And Temporary ¶23 (And I can go back in my own family. When people tried to take from my father the little equity that he had in the business, and we thought the world came to an end on that day, for he had a large family, and how to feed them?)
- Word 2 ¶15 (In 1922 when he started, he didn’t have a nickel and the family was stone cold broke. And today, I don’t think, I don’t think you could buy the family out for $25 million.)
- Purified by the Death of Your Delusions ¶25 (I speak from experience. When my father had the blow of blows in Barbados and no one came to see him because he was accused, wrongfully, but accused. Those who were playing it safe…no one came home even to say “How are you feeling, Joe?” Joe sat alone.)
- Rock Water Wine ¶24 (He gave orders to his clerks that every order that came from Mr. Goddard must be filled, no compromise. Fill it without any questions asked, and send no bill until Mr. Goddard pays you.)
- Revelation Risen Christ ¶5 (There came a moment in our life as a family when we thought the world came to an end, for we seemingly were deceived by partners of my father. They intended getting control of the little he had as equity in the business, and the day they attempted it and…)
- He Is Dreaming Now ¶63 (We started with a few little pennies borrowed―borrowed money―back in 1922. My father didn’t have one red cent. What he did have that he valued more than a red cent,--he had ten children: nine sons and a daughter; and, to him, they were the most precious …)
- Who Is Jesus ¶5 (And he sees the same sign, although no one else can see it, because it isn’t there — the sign reads F.N. Roach and Company, and he is looking at it, and he sees J.N. Goddard and Sons, which would imply the Goddards own it, and they didn’t have a dime.)
- Live End July 19 Marines Memorial Club San Francisco ¶16 (Now, I know what I’m talking about because I’m a member of that family. I am speaking of my own family. This is not hearsay. I know it. My second brother, Victor, in whose imagination this whole thing began to bloom – and he still works all by imaginatio…)
Temporal reference
- Rock Water Wine ¶26 (the new building was bought for him out of nowhere and now he took his signature on the 13th of the month)