Abdullah foretells Neville's symbolic death in Barbados

Before he sailed Abdullah told him he was going to die but would not surely die, and refused to interpret it; later Abdullah said only that 'The Brothers' had told him, meaning the Elohim.
Date (happened)
between November 1933 and 6 December 1933
unresolved
  1. between November 1933 and 6 December 1933 estimated · probable · preferred
    Why M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 005)
    Reasoning Passage 528245: Abdullah said 'So you're going to Barbados ... you will die but you will not surely die' before he went; he stayed three months over Christmas 'returning from America after eleven years', i.e. 1922 plus eleven. The sailing was booked 1933-12-03/04 (9263, 9267) with the berth on 1933-12-06 (18453) and Abdullah's instruction in 1933-11 (5940).
  2. before 1969 bound · possible
    Source The One Greater Than John ¶9qualifying source passages 528245; telling lecture nids 1033
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [528245] belong to telling lecture nids [1033]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1969 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1969 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  3. before 30 January 1969 bound
    Source The One Greater Than Johntelling lecture nid 1033, certain delivery 1969-01-30
    Why Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1969 to before 1969-01-30.
    Reasoning L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1033 (certain delivery 1969-01-30); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1969`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1969-01-30 on nid 1033 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
  4. before 9 January 1964 bound
    Source The One Greater Than John ¶9The passage records Abdullah's prediction before Neville sailed; lecture node 1033 is adjudicated delivered 1964-01-09.
    Reasoning The witnessed event necessarily predates the supported telling date of its containing lecture. Node 1033's standing delivery is 1964-01-09, so before that day is the tightest safe upper bound supplied by this evidence.
Told / reported
  1. 9 January 1964 estimated
    Source The One Greater Than JohnTelling date inherited from the standing delivery adjudication for lecture node 1033.
    Reasoning Passage 528245 is in node 1033, whose supported delivery date is 1964-01-09. This is a node-derived told date, so it is estimated rather than stated.
  2. 30 January 1969 stated · refuted
    Source The One Greater Than JohnThe One Greater Than John (nid 1033), telling 1033-8, told 1969-01-30
Sources

Source

  • The One Greater Than John ¶9 (Before I went, Abdullah said to me, “So you’re going to Barbados. May I tell you, you’re going to die but you will not surely die. . .but you will die.”)