Neville dates his embrace by God twelve years earlier

He notes that his own experience of being embraced by God happened twelve years ago the coming month, and insists it was a gift he cannot boast of and that precedes others only in chronological order.
Date (happened)
May 1951
unresolved
  1. May 1951 stated · preferred
    Source "it’s twelve years this coming month", told in Who Is the Real Messiah (nid 1096)
  2. July 1959 relative · probable
    Source Passage 530112 says twelve years this coming month; node 1096 survives at 1971-06-11 probable.
    Reasoning At the probable 11 June 1971 telling, 'twelve years this coming month' identifies July 1959. Day precision is unavailable, and confidence cannot exceed the carrier lecture's probable claim.
  3. c. 1959 stated · probable
    Source Jehovah's Messiah ¶26"it’s twelve years this coming month", told in Jehovahs Messiah (Unresolved ASR Witness) (nid 3978)
  4. May 1951 stated · refuted
    Source Passage 530112 was formerly interpreted against the now-refuted 1963-04-09 delivery claim.
    Reasoning The month/year calculation depended on a carrier date the corpus has refuted, so 1951-05 cannot remain a supported happening date.
Place
San Francisco possible
Persons
Told / reported
  1. 11 June 1971 conclusion · probable
    Why dc1-agreement-20261004, pm-actor-551 (PM 8702)
    Reasoning 1 claim, no conflict: 1971-06-11 (node:1096).
  2. 11 June 1971 estimated · probable
    Source nid 1096 surviving delivery claim after refutation. All claims: 1963-4-9 refuted; 1971-6-11 probable (preferred)
    Why Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
    Reasoning Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1096 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1096 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1971-6-11 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1963-4-9 refuted; 1971-6-11 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 0: 1963-04-09 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 1: 1963-04-09 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
  3. 9 April 1963 stated · refuted
    Source Who Is the Real Messiah (nid 1096), telling 1096-2, told 1963-04-09
    Reasoning || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1096, 1963-4-9) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-6-11. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
  4. 9 April 1963 stated · refuted
    Source Who Is the Real Messiah (nid 1096), telling 1096-2, told 1963-04-09
    Why Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 0 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
    Reasoning Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1096 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1096 delivery claims: 1963-4-9 possible; 1971-6-11 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node. || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1096, 1963-4-9) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1971-6-11. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
Sources

Source

  • Jehovah's Messiah ¶26 (So if I preceded you – undoubtedly I have by a few years – it’s twelve years this coming month that it happened to me.)