He recalls a wealthy only-child in New York City during the last war who hated Roosevelt and told him off in the mirror while shaving every morning, refusing to give up the amusement because no Broadway play gave him as much fun for the money.
Date (happened)
between 1939 and 1945
unresolved
between 1939 and 1945
stated · preferred
between 1939 and 1945
stated
between 1939 and 1945
stated
between 1939 and 1945
stated
between 1939 and 1945
stated
between 1941 and 1945
stated
Why
A tighter upper bound (before Roosevelt's April 1945 death, since the young man addresses him as sitting president) is plausible but rests on world knowledge not itself sourced by any witness in this packet, so it is not formalised here.
Reasoning
Neville directly names the period the story belongs to -- 'the last war -- World War II' -- which for an American speaker/audience is naturally read as U.S. involvement, 1941-1945; this is a direct statement, not an inference.
before 1969
bound · possible
Reasoning
Qualifying passage ids [539982] belong to telling lecture nids [1448]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1969 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1969 is the MIN across telling lectures.
before 6 October 1969
bound
Why
Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1969 to before 1969-10-06.
Reasoning
L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1448 (certain delivery 1969-10-06); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1969`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1969-10-06 on nid 1448 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
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before 12 April 1945
bound · probable
Why
M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 026)
Reasoning
Passage 539982: a friend who hated Roosevelt and wanted him to change, telling him off while shaving; Roosevelt died 12 April 1945. He was president from March 1933, which the hating friend implies but the text does not say.
Told
4 September 1965
stated · doubtful
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2 December 1966
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1258 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1258 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1966-12-2 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1967-1-27 refuted; 1966-12-2 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 0: 1967-01-27 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`) | delta 4: 1967-01-27 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/ceiling/c2`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
4 September 1965
estimated
Reasoning
The telling occurs in lecture nid 1034, whose competing 1957 delivery claim is already refuted by internal evidence (a 1959 death, Mrs. Archibald Roosevelt 'just killed', 'before the hippies'), leaving the certain 1965-09-04 claim unchallenged; the told date equals that delivery date.
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27 January 1967
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1258, 1967-1-27) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1966-12-2. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
27 January 1967
stated · refuted
Why
Corrects the confidence of the told claim written by run `corpus v1 / phase3b` at delta 0 on this event; that claim is left standing per append-only. Ceiling rule #2132.
Reasoning
Confidence only; the date is not re-adjudicated and is left exactly as written. This claim is derived from the delivery claims of node 1258 and asserts `certain`, but the strongest claim that node carries is `probable`, so there is nothing for `certain` to inherit from. nid 1258 delivery claims: 1967-1-27 possible; 1966-12-2 probable. Walked back to `probable`, the ceiling. Whether the DATE is right is a separate question this row does not touch; if the evidence turns out to support more confidence, it will have to come from a source other than this node. || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1258, 1967-1-27) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1966-12-2. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
Sources
Source
- God Plays All the Parts ¶40 (He said, “Neville, there isn’t a play on Broadway that I can get into for under ten dollars— oh, in a morning I spend, say, five minutes on my face and in five minutes telling him off I have such fun—there’s no play on Broadway running two hours that’s g…)
- Order Your Conversations Aright ¶44 (He said, “Why, Neville, the shows on Broadway today are $10 a seat. There is no show on Broadway that could give me the thrill of those fifteen minutes in the morning when I shave.)
- There Is No Other God ¶28 (I knew a man in New York City during the Second World War. He hated Roosevelt – hated him!)
- I AM the Lord ¶26 (I remember a man in New York City during the Second World War, who claimed he despised Roosevelt. Every morning when the man shaved, he would talk to himself in the mirror, imagining he was telling Roosevelt everything he disliked about him. The gentlema…)
- I Am The True Vine ¶34 (I know that from experience: a man in New York City, in the Second World War, hated President Roosevelt. I said to him, “why do you hate the man?”)
- Believe in It ¶3 (I had a friend who hated Roosevelt, yet wanted him to change. Every morning while shaving, my friend would tell Roosevelt off. He found great joy and satisfaction in this daily routine, yet could not understand why Roosevelt stayed the same.)