Neville recalls his mother's teaching about priests and his later reversal

His mother persuaded him as a child, almost to the point of frightening him, that priests were the wisest men in the world; when he grew up and the visions began he found them the most stupid people he had ever met. He also notes that his friend was high church Episcopal while he himself was low church Episcopal.
Date (happened)
c. 1923
unresolved
  1. c. 1923 stated · probable · preferred
    Source We Came Out From the Father and Return ¶24"when I became a man", told in We Came Out From the Father and Return (nid 1362)
  2. before 1968 bound · possible
    Source qualifying source passages 552404; telling lecture nids 2051
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [552404] belong to telling lecture nids [2051]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1968 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1968 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  3. before 28 June 1968 bound
    Source telling lecture nid 2051, certain delivery 1968-06-28
    Why Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1968 to before 1968-06-28.
    Reasoning L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 2051 (certain delivery 1968-06-28); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1968`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1968-06-28 on nid 2051 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
Told / reported
  1. 28 June 1968 estimated
    Source We Came Out From the Father and Returnnid 1362 surviving delivery claim after refutation. All claims: 1968-6-2 refuted; 1968-6-28 certain (preferred)
    Why Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
    Reasoning Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1362 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1362 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1968-6-28 at `certain`. All claims on the node: 1968-6-2 refuted; 1968-6-28 certain (preferred). Superseded here: delta 0: 1968-06-02 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
  2. 28 June 1968 stated
    Source He Is My Resurrection (nid 2051), telling 2051-4, told 1968-06-28
  3. 2 June 1968 stated · refuted
    Source We Came Out From the Father and ReturnWe Came Out From the Father and Return (nid 1362), telling 1362-7, told 1968-06-02
    Reasoning || v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 1362, 1968-6-2) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1968-6-28. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
Sources

Source

  • We Came Out From the Father and Return ¶24 (My mother used to tell me that the wisest men in the world are priests. She persuaded me that they were to the point of almost scaring me…to discover when I became a man and the visions began to appear within me, I knew no more stupid people.)
  • We Came Out From the Father and Return ¶24 (I know exactly what he went through, for I was raised in the low church of the Episcopal world and my mother used to tell me that the priests were the wisest men in the world. I believed her until I became a man and the visions began to appear within me.)