Neville says he went countless times to Coney Island when he lived back east, and to carnival sideshows, and compares the junk sold there to what he saw on the moon.
Date (happened)
between September 1922 and April 1957
unresolved
before 27 June 1969
bound
Source
bound from the telling lecture nid 1471 (1969-06-27)
Reasoning
The event is told in the past tense in nid 1471, delivered 1969-06-27 (that claim's confidence: certain, preferred), so it had happened by that date. This is the same premise phase4 L6a and L4.5 rest on, stated at the precision the evidence actually supports rather than as a fabricated year. It replaces nothing: the 1900 placeholder row remains, lowered, as the record of what phase3b did. `bound` is never `preferred`, so this does not change what the event displays.
between September 1922 and April 1957
estimated · probable
Why
M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 025)
Reasoning
Passage 540681: 'I've gone to Coney Island unnumbered times when I lived back east.' He lived in New York from 25 Sept 1922 until April 1957 (residence 20465), then in Los Angeles. This gives the range but not a year.
before 1900
bound · refuted
Why
pm-actor-525: refuted by the M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 025): The 1900..1999 year is a placeholder sentinel for 'sometime before the telling', not a date; a bound before 1900 is incoherent for Neville, born 1905.
Reasoning
v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv: type stated -> bound. Convergence of the w1 pass, which split on this exact shape — 25 rows with the 1900 sentinel year and a vague relative note were judged `stated` while 5 identical rows were judged `bound`. The 1900 here is a placeholder meaning "unknown, sometime before the telling", not a date any source stated; Neville was born in 1905, so "before 1900" is not a coherent bound on his own recollections. A claim whose year is that sentinel cannot be `stated`. Note the year itself remains wrong and is out of scope for L0.5, which may touch only `type` and `preferred` — reported separately. Source note as recorded: ""when I lived back east", told in We Find the Father in Us (nid 1471)" || v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900: year 1900 here is not a date. `corpus v1 / phase3b` emitted it as a placeholder for "unknown, sometime before the telling" whenever the speaker used a vague temporal phrase — this row's own source note is the phrase. The same sentinel was identified and converged on in run v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv. It carried confidence `possible`, which no evidence supported. Lowered to `doubtful`; an honest `before 1969-06-27` bound is appended alongside from the telling lecture (nid 1471). Nothing deleted, no year invented.
Told / reported
2 August 1969
stated · doubtful
27 June 1969
estimated
Reasoning
At packet-read time nid 1471's preferred document-native delivery claim is 1969-06-27 certain; this telling inherits that date and confidence. The earlier catalog-derived 1969-08-02 told row remains append-only.
Sources
Source
- We Find the Father in Us ¶15 (I’ve gone to Coney Island unnumbered times when I lived back east, and I’ve certainly gone to sideshows at carnivals, and you know what you buy.)