His Catholic nephew, visiting New York, got drunk with Neville's son one Saturday night; Neville sobered him with black coffee the next morning and walked him from 55th Street to St. Patrick's, where to the boy's dismay it was a long high mass conducted by Cardinal Spellman, which he could then boast of to his mother.
Date (happened)
between February 1946 and April 1957
unresolved
between February 1946 and April 1957
estimated · probable · preferred
Why
M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 010)
Reasoning
Cardinal Spellman was created cardinal in Feb 1946; the family lived at 145 West 55th Street until 1957-04 (event 18271); the son Joseph (b. 1924) was an adult drinker; 'many years ago' fits.
before 2 March 1965
bound · probable
Source
bound from the telling lecture nid 1773 (1965-03-02)
Reasoning
The event is told in the past tense in nid 1773, delivered 1965-03-02 (that claim's confidence: probable, preferred), so it had happened by that date. This is the same premise phase4 L6a and L4.5 rest on, stated at the precision the evidence actually supports rather than as a fabricated year. It replaces nothing: the 1900 placeholder row remains, lowered, as the record of what phase3b did. `bound` is never `preferred`, so this does not change what the event displays.
before 1900
bound · refuted
Why
pm-actor-525: refuted by the M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 010): The 1900 year is a placeholder for 'sometime before the telling', not a date; as a claim about an event in his own life it is contradicted by his birth on 19 Feb 1905.
Reasoning
v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1: type stated -> bound. The evidence is only 'many years ago' from the telling lecture; the date is inferred from the event predating its own retelling rather than any direct assertion of when the mass happened. || v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900: year 1900 here is not a date. `corpus v1 / phase3b` emitted it as a placeholder for "unknown, sometime before the telling" whenever the speaker used a vague temporal phrase — this row's own source note is the phrase. The same sentinel was identified and converged on in run v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv. It carried confidence `probable`, which no evidence supported. Lowered to `doubtful`; an honest `before 1965-03-02` bound is appended alongside from the telling lecture (nid 1773). Nothing deleted, no year invented.
Told
2 March 1965
estimated · probable
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 1773 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 1773 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1965-3-2 at `probable`. All claims on the node: 1969-??-?? refuted; 1965-3-2 probable (preferred). Superseded here: delta 0: 1969-00-00 at `probable` (run `v1.1/l4/w1-T3`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
c. 1969
estimated · refuted
Reasoning
Passage 543904 in lecture nid 1773 is Neville himself narrating the Catholic nephew / Cardinal Spellman high mass anecdote. The lecture is dated circa 1969 by a stated/probable delivery claim (anchored to a contemporary Time magazine item on new cardinals), so the telling inherits that same precision and confidence. || v1.1/l7/told-lower: lowered `probable` -> `doubtful`. The telling-date 1969-??-?? is refuted on the source lecture (nid 1773) and no live claim on that node supports it, so the corpus can no longer say WHEN this was told. ⛔ The row is KEPT, not retired: it also records THAT nid 1773 tells this event, which is true and checkable from the passages, and retiring it would discard that with the date.
Sources
Source
- Tloa Lecturethe Word ¶44 (My little nephew came to New York City many years ago, and my son took him out on the town one night, Saturday night, and they got plastered.)