At the close of the same 1950 vision, before returning to his body, Neville was brought back in the crucifix — his palms, head, right side and soles were vortices — and felt himself nailed upon the cross in sheer ecstasy, then woke on his bed.
Date (happened)
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before 1968
bound · possible
Reasoning
Qualifying passage ids [538361] belong to telling lecture nids [1367]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1968 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1968 is the MIN across telling lectures.
before 14 June 1968
bound
Why
Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1968 to before 1968-06-14.
Reasoning
L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1367 (certain delivery 1968-06-14); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1968`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1968-06-14 on nid 1367 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
between 1950 and 1952
estimated · possible
Why
M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 020)
Reasoning
Passage 538361 continues the procession vision of 538360; chronology 855 says 1952, chronology 18409 says 1950.
before 1964
bound · possible
Reasoning
Qualifying passage ids [545680] belong to telling lecture nids [1823]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1964 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1964 is the MIN across telling lectures.
before 8 May 1964
bound
Why
Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1964 to before 1964-05-08.
Reasoning
L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1823 (certain delivery 1964-05-08); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1964`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1964-05-08 on nid 1823 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
between 1950 and 1952
estimated · possible
Why
M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 007)
Reasoning
The crucifixion as six vortices is chronology 18841 (1952) and 18409 (1950); Neville lived in New York in these years.
before 27 March 1964
bound
Source
bound from the telling lecture nid 1837 (1964-03-27)
Reasoning
The event is told in the past tense in nid 1837, delivered 1964-03-27 (that claim's confidence: certain, preferred), so it had happened by that date. This is the same premise phase4 L6a and L4.5 rest on, stated at the precision the evidence actually supports rather than as a fabricated year. It replaces nothing: the 1900 placeholder row remains, lowered, as the record of what phase3b did. `bound` is never `preferred`, so this does not change what the event displays.
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before 1959
bound · probable
Why
Supersedes the practical uselessness of the existing circa 1900-1999 claim without altering it.
Reasoning
Neville sequences the crucifixion vision ('this happened years ago, many years ago') as occurring before the 1959 awakening vibration he describes next ('and then...back in 1959'); 'and then' orders the two, so the vision predates 1959. This is an inference from his narrative ordering rather than an explicit 'before 1959' statement, hence bound at probable rather than a stated claim.
c. 1950
estimated · possible
Why
M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 002)
Reasoning
Passage 546278 (told 1964-03-27) describes the crucifixion as ecstasy; 546280 puts it 'years ago, many years ago' and before 1959. Chronology 18409 dates 'ecstatic crucifixion at the close of a vision' to 1950, and he woke in New York City, where he lived 1922-1957. An inference from the match, so possible.
before 1963
bound · possible
Reasoning
Qualifying passage ids [548491] belong to telling lecture nids [1908]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1963 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1963 is the MIN across telling lectures.
before 9 April 1963
bound
Why
Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1963 to before 1963-04-09.
Reasoning
L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1908 (certain delivery 1963-04-09); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1963`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1963-04-09 on nid 1908 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
before 1969
bound · possible
Reasoning
Qualifying passage ids [551693] belong to telling lecture nids [2019]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1969 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1969 is the MIN across telling lectures.
1952
stated
Reasoning
Passages 551693-551695 and 531546 onward share a uniquely identifying narrative sequence: the Psalm 42 procession, the woman asking where God is, the answer 'At your side,' the declaration that Neville is God 'in the act of waking,' and his vortex return to the body. Passage 531546 directly dates that experience to 1952. The explicit autobiographical year supports a stated exact year at certain confidence.
before 1972
bound · possible
Reasoning
Qualifying passage ids [526693] belong to telling lecture nids [58]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1972 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1972 is the MIN across telling lectures.
before 1971
bound · possible
Reasoning
Qualifying passage ids [550195] belong to telling lecture nids [1962]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1971 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1971 is the MIN across telling lectures.
before 9 April 1971
bound
Why
Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1971 to before 1971-04-09.
Reasoning
L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1962 (certain delivery 1971-04-09); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1971`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1971-04-09 on nid 1962 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim, and MIN was taken across this event's 2 certain told dates. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
between 1950 and 1952
estimated · possible
Why
M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 028)
Reasoning
Passages 526693 and 550195: hands, feet, head and right side nailed with six-pointed vortices, 'sheer ecstasy'. The chronology has 'returns from a divine pilgrimage as six vortices' (18841, 1952), 'ecstatic crucifixion at the close of a vision' (18409, 1950) and 'leads a divine procession and is nailed by vortices' (15602, before 1964). Identification is by content and the two dates differ, so a range.
c. 1900
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900: year 1900 here is not a date. `corpus v1 / phase3b` emitted it as a placeholder for "unknown, sometime before the telling" whenever the speaker used a vague temporal phrase — this row's own source note is the phrase. The same sentinel was identified and converged on in run v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv. It carried confidence `probable`, which no evidence supported. Lowered to `doubtful`; an honest `before 1964-03-27` bound is appended alongside from the telling lecture (nid 1837). Nothing deleted, no year invented. || v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900-refute: REFUTED. This event involves Neville himself and he was born 1905-02-19 (event 950 delta 9, `certain` + `preferred`), so 1900 is not merely unsupported — it is impossible. The event now displays no date, which is the honest state: the `before` bound appended by v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900 remains and is what is actually known. Row kept, not deleted.
Told / reported
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22 February 1963
estimated
Why
Lane L7 (#2354) re-derivation. Supersedes in substance, not in storage, the refuted-date told claim(s) on this event; those rows stand per append-only.
Reasoning
Re-derived, not walked down. The existing told claim(s) on this event took their date from a delivery claim on node 2019 that the corpus has since REFUTED, so the corpus was asserting that Neville told this on a day it separately says he did not lecture. That is a contradiction rather than an over-confidence, and lowering the confidence would have hidden it instead of resolving it. The refutation stands and the told claim is the wrong side of it. Node 2019 surviving (non-refuted) claim: 1963-2-22 at `certain`. All claims on the node: 1963-2-22 certain; 1969-6-20 refuted; 1963-2-22 certain (preferred). Superseded here: delta 0: 1969-06-20 at `certain` (run `corpus v1 / phase3b`). The telling is dated by its lecture, so with the refuted date removed from consideration the surviving claim is what the telling inherits, at that claim own confidence and no higher.
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20 June 1969
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l7/told-close: the delivery claim this was derived from (nid 2019, 1969-6-20) was refuted by the L7 adjudication (#2363). The corrected told claim from the same lecture stands at 1963-2-22. This row is retired rather than deleted so the derivation history remains readable.
Sources
Source
- Initiative ¶8 (I felt myself nailed, and it was sheer ecstasy. It wasn’t painful. It was ecstatic. I can’t describe the joy in being self-sacrificed upon this cross. And then I woke on my bed.)
- Old Testament Is Prophetic Blueprint of the Life of Jesus Christ ¶12 (But the crucifixion was not sad; it was the most glorious, ecstatic state in the world when I was nailed upon this cross, willingly, deliberately.)
- Speaking from Experience ¶31 (The crucifixion is in Spirit, and I know from my own personal experience it is in Spirit, for I was; and it’s the most glorious sensation in the world.)
- Life Through Death ¶16 (For this night I was one of an unnumbered crowd walking toward some invisible Mecca, the fulfillment of God’s promise, all together an ancient world too, all dressed in Arabic costumes.)
- Life Through Death ¶18 (This happened years ago, many years ago...and then four years ago, back in 1959, this intense vibration at the base of my skull and I began to awake)
- The Crucifixion ¶6 (My hands became vortices, my head a vortex, my feet vortices, and my side a vortex. And here, I was driven into this body on the bed through my emotionalism, held by six vortices: my hands, my feet, my head, and my side.)
- Paul's Autobiography ¶27 (Someone will be at your side, and you will ask and they will ask: “But if God walks with him, where is he?” and the voice will come back: “At your side.”)
- John the Crown of Scripture ¶22 (These hands, my feet, my head and my right side are nailed with vortices. Each has a vortex, a six-pointed star. And when I experienced it, I’m telling you it was a sheer ecstasy.)
- Standing Order ¶24 (And may I tell you from my own experience, it was sheer ecstasy; it was not painful. There was no pain whatsoever – such ecstasy, and then oblivion.)
Temporal reference
- Building Your Temple ¶21 (Neville explicitly dates the same Psalm 42 procession and vortex experience to 1952 in New York City.)