Coming out of his theater on 48th Street and walking towards Fifth Avenue, Neville saw the young Sinatra standing on the runway of a stalled cab in the middle of Fifth Avenue, signing autographs for three dozen teenage girls while traffic backed up - a piece of prearranged publicity.
Date (happened)
c. 1941
estimated · possible · preferred
Reasoning
Passage 550193, delivered in node 1962 on the independently corroborated date 1971-04-09, says Sinatra had 'just retired after a very successful thirty years in the show business' and places Neville's autograph-scene memory when Sinatra was a young man getting started. Subtracting the stated thirty-year career span from the 1971 telling gives circa 1941. The weakest links are 'just retired', the likely rounded career length, and the passage's loose association of this scene with his start, so only year precision and possible confidence are warranted.
before 9 April 1971
bound
Source
bound from the telling lecture nid 1962 (1971-04-09)
Reasoning
The event is told in the past tense in nid 1962, delivered 1971-04-09 (that claim's confidence: certain, preferred), so it had happened by that date. This is the same premise phase4 L6a and L4.5 rest on, stated at the precision the evidence actually supports rather than as a fabricated year. It replaces nothing: the 1900 placeholder row remains, lowered, as the record of what phase3b did. `bound` is never `preferred`, so this does not change what the event displays.
c. 1900
stated · refuted
Reasoning
|| v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900: year 1900 here is not a date. `corpus v1 / phase3b` emitted it as a placeholder for "unknown, sometime before the telling" whenever the speaker used a vague temporal phrase — this row's own source note is the phrase. The same sentinel was identified and converged on in run v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv. It carried confidence `possible`, which no evidence supported. Lowered to `doubtful`; an honest `before 1971-04-09` bound is appended alongside from the telling lecture (nid 1962). Nothing deleted, no year invented. || v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900-refute: REFUTED. This event involves Neville himself and he was born 1905-02-19 (event 950 delta 9, `certain` + `preferred`), so 1900 is not merely unsupported — it is impossible. The event now displays no date, which is the honest state: the `before` bound appended by v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900 remains and is what is actually known. Row kept, not deleted.
Sources
Source
- Standing Order ¶22 (I came out of my theater on 48th Street, which was between Fifth and Madison Avenues, and walking towards Fifth, when I got to Fifth, there were three dozen young girls, oh 16 or 17, and here is a cab right in the middle of Fifth Avenue with this young m…)