Neville's inherited belief in a historical Jesus collapses

He says he was raised and trained to believe in a historical Jesus, and that this belief collapsed.
Date (happened)
21 December 1960
certain
  1. 21 December 1960 conclusion
    Why dc1-agreement-20261004, pm-actor-551 (PM 8702)
    Reasoning All 2 claims agree on 1960-12-21: passage:553590; passage:553590.
  2. before 1971 bound · possible
    Source Hear O Israel ¶5qualifying source passages 553590; telling lecture nids 2130
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [553590] belong to telling lecture nids [2130]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1971 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1971 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  3. 21 December 1960 stated
    Reasoning Passage 553590 states verbatim that the series of visions occurred 'In 1960, December the twenty-first' and then identifies the collapse of the buildings as the collapse of Neville's inherited beliefs, including the historical-Jesus belief. The full date and event connection are explicit in the witness, so stated/exact/certain is supported without relying on the carrier lecture date.
Place
Los Angeles possible
Persons
Told / reported
  1. 9 February 1971 conclusion · probable
    Why dc1-agreement-20261004, pm-actor-551 (PM 8702)
    Reasoning All 2 claims agree on 1971-02-09: node:2130; node:2130.
  2. 1971 stated · probable
    Source Hear O IsraelHear O Israel (nid 2130), telling 2130-1, told 1971
  3. 9 February 1971 estimated · probable
    Reasoning Passage 553590 clearly tells this event in lecture node 2130. The node's standing precise delivery claim is 1971-02-09 at probable, derived from its same-Tuesday earthquake reference and retained by the authoritative adjudication. As a node-derived told claim, the type is estimated, never stated, and confidence is capped at the anchor's probable level.
Sources

Source

  • Hear O Israel ¶5 (I lived in the belief of a historical Jesus; I was raised and trained that way.)
1 tellings, oldest first. A date in brackets shows how it is known; "circa", "after" and "possible" dates are rough.
Date Lecture or book Telling Passage
1971-02-09 [exact/probable/final] Hear O Israel In 1960, December the twenty-first, I had a series of visions in one night. And here I am, and here is the thirteenth chapter of the Book of Mark — but you know the story. He came out of the temple; as he came out of the temple, one disciple said to him, “Look, teacher, what great stones, what great buildings!” And Jesus said to him, receiving his great building, “Not one stone will be left standing upon another; but all will be thrown down.” And in my vision I saw this city, and I knew in advance which was going to fall, one after the other. They fell one after the other, all symbolic of the… 553590