Dwelling on the father/son relationship, Neville retired and awoke about 2:30 A.M. from a dream set in a place like the Plaza Hotel in New York, where he had just checked out and saw his brother Fred checking in and his nephew Philip approaching; he introduced Philip to Fred and realised as they shook hands that father and son did not know each other, so that he himself had played the part of David.
Date (happened)
3 October 1969
unresolved
3 October 1969
estimated · preferred
Reasoning
Passage 528591 says Neville retired 'last night' and awoke at about 2:30 A.M.; the parallel readable witness passage 540886 explicitly calls the awakening 'this morning.' The carrier lecture node 1044 stands at 1969-10-03 on two independent sources (catalogue entry and chrome dateline), and L7 formally refuted its old 1958-03-03 claim. Zero-offset 'this morning' therefore computes to 1969-10-03 exactly. The approximate clock time does not make the calendar day approximate.
2 October 1969
estimated
Source
passage 528591 (lecture nid 1044), 'Last night I retired...and awoke about 2:30 A.M.', corroborated by passage 528597 'as it did last night'
Why
Waking time (2:30 A.M.) may technically fall just after midnight into Oct 3, but 'last night' is dated to the night of Oct 2.
Reasoning
The dream is placed 'last night' relative to this lecture, whose delivery date is certain at 1969-10-03 on two independent grounds (chrome dateline claim d2, and a matching second catalogue entry #596 at the same date). 'Last night' relative to an Oct 3 telling is the night of Oct 2, though the 2:30 A.M. waking he describes falls technically in the small hours of Oct 3 itself; recorded on the retiring day, Oct 2, per the plain reading of 'last night'.
3 October 1969
stated · probable
Source
passage 528591 (lecture nid 1044), 'Last night I retired... and awoke about 2:30 A.M. to find myself in a place much like the Plaza Hotel'
Reasoning
Neville dates the dream to the night immediately before this lecture, waking at about 2:30 A.M. If the lecture (dated 1969-10-03) was an evening session, as these classes typically were, that pre-dawn hour falls on the same calendar day as the lecture itself; downgraded to probable rather than matching the told claim's certain, to allow for the small chance the waking hour crossed into the prior calendar day (1969-10-02) instead.
2 October 1969
estimated
Reasoning
The lecture is delivered 1969-10-03 (certain, chrome dateline '10/3/69'), so 'last night' -- when he retired and began reflecting on the evening's theme -- is 1969-10-02, arithmetic on a certain source date.
3 October 1969
estimated
Reasoning
Passage 540886 narrates the dream as occurring the night/early morning immediately before the lecture itself ('Having dwelt the previous night on the subject of tonight's talk... I woke this morning about, I would say, 2:30'). This is a zero-offset, speaking-date-anchored phrase (trap 3/8): the waking/dream falls on the same calendar day as the lecture's delivery, with the sole hedge word 'about' modifying the clock time (2:30), not the date. The lecture node 1483 carries two delivery claims: a demoted legacy row at 1969-10-02 (doubtful, legacy_unreviewed, explicitly noted as contradicted by the lecture's own chrome dateline) and the standing corrected row at 1969-10-03 (certain, preferred, v11_chrome_harvest, site-sourced). The event's own existing field_date claim (d0, 1969-10-02, stated/certain/preferred) is a stale value copied from the lecture's since-superseded date (rule 22's 'stale value already sitting on the event itself' shape) - it predates the chrome-dateline correction and was never re-derived. Anchoring the passage's zero-offset 'this morning' phrase to the lecture's CURRENT, corroborated delivery date (1969-10-03, certain) gives the corrected day. Type is estimated rather than stated because the exact date is computed by anchoring to the lecture's delivery date, not stated outright in the passage; confidence is capped at, and here matches, the anchor's own certain rating since there is no date-level hedge, only a trivial time-of-night approximation. The old 1969-10-02 event claim is left untouched (append-only); this claim supersedes it in practice.
2 March 1958
stated · refuted
Source
"Last night", told in The Great Possession (nid 1044)
Why
pm-actor-525: refuted by the M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 015): F1241: inherited from node 1044's since-refuted delivery claim; the corrected delivery is 1969-10-03 (node 1483, chrome dateline and duplicate catalogue entry), and this stale value should not remain preferred.
2 October 1969
stated · refuted
Why
pm-actor-525: refuted by the M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 031): Anchored to the lecture's pre-correction date; the lecture (node 1483) is now dated 1969-10-03 (see event 594).
Told / reported
3 October 1969
stated
Source
The Great Possession (nid 1044), telling 1044-1, told 1969-10-03
3 October 1969
estimated
Source
delivery claim d2 on lecture nid 1044, chrome dateline 10/3/69, corroborated by legacy catalogue claim d1 (#596) at the same date, both certain
Reasoning
Neville recounts this dream from the platform during this lecture; the lecture's own delivery date is certain on two independent grounds, so the telling date is 1969-10-03.
3 October 1969
estimated
Reasoning
The reflection is recounted within lecture 1483 itself, delivered 1969-10-03 at certain confidence; this is the telling date.
2 October 1969
stated · doubtful
Sources
Source
- The J, E, and P Manuscripts ¶29 (Last night I retired, dwelling on this father/son relationship, and awoke about 2:30 A.M. to find myself in a place much like the Plaza Hotel in New York City. I had just checked out, and turned to see my brother, Fred checking in.)
- The J, E, and P Manuscripts ¶29 (I had just checked out and I looked up to see one checking in, and he’s my brother Fred, my sixth brother. I went over and I greeted him, and then I turned to my left and here is my nephew Philip who is his son.)
- The J, E, and P Manuscripts ¶36
- The J, E, and P Manuscripts ¶44
- The J, E, and P Manuscripts ¶65
4 tellings, oldest first. A date in brackets shows how it is known; "circa", "after" and "possible" dates are rough.
| Date |
Lecture or book |
Telling |
Passage |
| 1969-10-03 [exact/certain/preferred] |
The J, E, and P Manuscripts |
Last night as I retired I was thinking on this theme which I am trying to express tonight. Then I woke this morning about, I would say, 2:30…but I did retire quite early so I had a good solid sleep, seemingly dreamless sleep until the very end. At the very end, here I find myself in New York City in the Plaza Hotel. It was much bigger than the Plaza as I know it, much more roomy, but the same old-world harmony and graciousness that you find in the Plaza of today. I had just checked out and I looked up to see one checking in, and he’s my brother Fred, my sixth brother. I went over and I… |
540886 |
| 1969-10-03 [exact/certain/preferred] |
The J, E, and P Manuscripts |
But forget the individual and come back to scripture, for here, I’m only here to fulfill scripture. Every night and night after night even though I have completed the entire story as told in the New Testament, I find myself re-enacting the play, the Old Testament. For in the days when the story was written, there was only the Old Testament, and it must all be fulfilled in me. Even to this morning…by simply dwelling the night before on the subject of tonight, wondering what could I add to it to make it more vivid to help everyone who is here. Then to come through the surface like coming from… |
540893 |
| 1969-10-03 [exact/certain/preferred] |
The J, E, and P Manuscripts |
In this morning’s paper the usual press agent for Billy Graham, and they said that he took to the platform last night a Hebrew Bible given to him by the present prime minister of Israel. So what? He can’t read Hebrew. So it’s a gift, a gift of a book that is completely sealed to him. And from what I’ve heard him say, although he speaks English, the English Bible is sealed to him…doesn’t understand it at all. It’s completely sealed. Now he goes beyond that into the Hebrew translation. And here he took to the platform. |
540901 |
| 1969-10-03 [exact/certain/preferred] |
The J, E, and P Manuscripts |
Dreams are very significant. But some dreams can be interpreted simply and others need the dream interpreter. As we’re told in the story of Joseph he could interpret Pharaoh’s dreams; Pharaoh and the astrologers and magicians could not, they all failed. And he could interpret them and they all came true as he interpreted the dream. If you take all dreams literally, then you’re simply confusing yourself. Some dreams are literal, but most of them come in symbolic form. Now this morning, with my brother, it’s a normal thing to meet your brother. I met him at a hotel where he would stop…perfectly… |
540922 |