David reveals Neville as his father on 6 December 1959

He knew nothing of being the father of David until the morning of the 6th of December, 1959, having never heard or read it anywhere.
Date (happened)
6 December 1959
unresolved
  1. 6 December 1959 stated · preferred
    Source Nature God Revealed Us ¶39"the morning of the 6th of December, 1959", told in Nature God Revealed Us (nid 1774)
  2. 6 December 1959 stated
    Source Gods Purpose ¶39passage 549720 (lecture nid 1946): 'the birth from above took place on the 20th day of July of 1959, and this was the sixth day of December 1959—139 days later I discovered I didn't know.' This event's own witnesses (545779, 551311) give the same 139-day interval without naming the calendar date.
    Reasoning This event's linked witnesses both give the interval as '139 days' after the birth from above but do not themselves state the calendar date. Neville states the calendar date directly and repeatedly elsewhere in the corpus (at least seven independent passages across different lectures agree on 6 December 1959), and one of them (549720) explicitly performs the same 139-day arithmetic this event's own witnesses reference, confirming they describe the same occasion.
  3. 6 December 1959 estimated
    Source Nature God Revealed Us ¶39passage 543944: 'the morning of the 6th of December, 1959'
    Why Corrects the content-date-for-experience-date error append-only.
    Reasoning Event 17323 is Neville's experience of David awakening him and calling him Father. Passage 543944 independently names that same revelation and explicitly dates it to the morning of 1959-12-06; the deep-past phrase in passage 542233 dates David's supposed life, not Neville's vision.
  4. before 1966 bound · possible
    Source Behold the Dreamer ¶29qualifying source passages 547660; telling lecture nids 1879
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [547660] belong to telling lecture nids [1879]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1966 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1966 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  5. before 1963 bound · possible
    Source His Name ¶16qualifying source passages 551642; telling lecture nids 2018
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [551642] belong to telling lecture nids [2018]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1963 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1963 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  6. before 1971 bound · possible
    Source Those Who Know Thy Name ¶57qualifying source passages 554594; telling lecture nids 2173
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [554594] belong to telling lecture nids [2173]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1971 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1971 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  7. before 26 February 1963 bound · probable
    Source His Namedelivery claims on lecture nid 2018 converge on 1963-02-26 (certain x2, probable x1), corroborated by the transcript's own 'Today, 1963' present-tense dateline
    Reasoning The revelation is recounted as a completed past experience in three lectures; the earliest telling, nid 2018, is well attested at 1963-02-26, so the event is bounded before that day — sharper than the existing year-level 'before 1963' envelope bound (npr 70678/72615), which identified 1963 as the binding telling but stopped at year precision.
  8. 6 December 1959 estimated · probable
    Source Behold the Dreamer ¶29
    Why M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 003)
    Reasoning Neville's account of David revealing him as Father is dated 1959-12-06, 139 days after 20 July 1959 (chronology events 7558, 16718, 16865); told 1963, 1966 and 1971 (passages 547660, 551642, 554594).
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  1. before 1970 bound · possible
    Source Have You Found Him? ¶36qualifying source passages 547795; telling lecture nids 1884
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [547795] belong to telling lecture nids [1884]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1970 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1970 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  2. before 9 November 1970 bound
    Source Have You Found Him?telling lecture nid 1884, certain delivery 1970-11-09
    Why Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1970 to before 1970-11-09.
    Reasoning L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1884 (certain delivery 1970-11-09); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1970`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1970-11-09 on nid 1884 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
  3. 6 December 1959 estimated · probable
    Source Have You Found Him? ¶36
    Why M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 028)
    Reasoning Passage 547795: 'I have found David and David has called me my Lord, my father and the rock of my salvation.' The chronology dates David calling Neville Father to 6 Dec 1959 (7558, 16718) and Psalm 89 to 7 Dec 1959 (7315).
  4. before 1963 bound · possible
    Source Repent and Believe in the Gospel ¶16qualifying source passages 550342; telling lecture nids 1966
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [550342] belong to telling lecture nids [1966]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1963 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1963 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  5. before 10 December 1963 bound · probable
    Source Repent and Believe in the Gospel ¶16
    Reasoning Passage 550342 states that the secret of divine fatherhood 'was revealed to me' and that the son stands before Neville and calls him Father, so the revelation precedes the telling. Node 1966's adjudication rejects 1963-11-10 and selects 1963-12-10 at probable. The carrier date is the weakest link, so only a probable before-1963-12-10 bound is warranted; the passage supplies no independent occurrence date.
  6. 6 December 1959 estimated · probable
    Source Repent and Believe in the Gospel ¶16
    Why M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 005)
    Reasoning Passage 550342: it was revealed to him that only his son could show he is a father; the son 'stands before you and calls you Father'. The David vision in which David called him Father is dated 1959-12-06 across the corpus (7558, 16718, 8087 and others). The passage does not itself name the day, so probable.
  7. before 1969 bound · possible
    Source Experience the Mystery of Christ ¶46qualifying source passages 541281; telling lecture nids 1501
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [541281] belong to telling lecture nids [1501]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1969 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1969 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  8. before 14 November 1969 bound
    Source Experience the Mystery of Christtelling lecture nid 1501, certain delivery 1969-11-14
    Why Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1969 to before 1969-11-14.
    Reasoning L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1501 (certain delivery 1969-11-14); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1969`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1969-11-14 on nid 1501 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
  9. 6 December 1959 estimated · probable
    Why M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 027)
    Reasoning Passage 541281: 'I have experienced being the Father of David'. The chronology holds this experience as David appearing and calling him Father on 6 Dec 1959 (e.g. 7872, 16718, 17171).
  10. before 1964 bound · possible
    Source Go Down to the Potter's House ¶43qualifying source passages 548334; telling lecture nids 1902
    Reasoning Qualifying passage ids [548334] belong to telling lecture nids [1902]. Each listed lecture contributes the selected safe envelope year 1964 (MAX of its non-refuted delivery years); 1964 is the MIN across telling lectures.
  11. before 24 November 1964 bound
    Source Go Down to the Potter's Housetelling lecture nid 1902, certain delivery 1964-11-24
    Why Tightens the phase4 L6a envelope from before 1964 to before 1964-11-24.
    Reasoning L6a envelope tightened to the telling day of nid 1902 (certain delivery 1964-11-24); same premise, finer precision. The phase4 L6a bound on this event is `before 1964`, an envelope over delivery YEARS computed without reading text. Its premise is that the fact is true by the time it is told; on that same premise the DAY of the telling is a strictly better upper bound. Nothing is re-decided — the bound is stated to the precision the evidence always supported. The delivery claim for 1964-11-24 on nid 1902 is held at `certain` by the corpus, which is what carries this claim. #2274; the L6a row stands beside this one.
  12. 6 December 1959 estimated · probable
    Source Go Down to the Potter's House ¶43
    Why M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 008)
    Reasoning The vision of David and the father-son recognition (passage 548334) is the 6 Dec 1959 event: many chronology records (6885, 7766, 7872, 18756) date it so, 139 days after the 20 July 1959 birth.
  13. before 18 October 1971 bound
    Source bound from the telling lecture nid 1983 (1971-10-18)
    Reasoning The event is told in the past tense in nid 1983, delivered 1971-10-18 (that claim's confidence: certain, preferred), so it had happened by that date. This is the same premise phase4 L6a and L4.5 rest on, stated at the precision the evidence actually supports rather than as a fabricated year. It replaces nothing: the 1900 placeholder row remains, lowered, as the record of what phase3b did. `bound` is never `preferred`, so this does not change what the event displays.
  14. c. 1099 BC stated · refuted
    Source You Must Experience God ¶14"someone who supposedly lived three thousand years ago", told in You Must Experience God (nid 1536)
    Why pm-actor-525: refuted by the M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 018): Per F1150: dates David's supposed biblical lifetime ('three thousand years ago'), not Neville's 6 December 1959 vision; should not be inherited as a claim on this event.
  15. 1905 stated · refuted
    Source Who AM I ¶12"I was born in this century", told in Who AM I (nid 1554)
    Why pm-actor-525: refuted by the M7 dating pass (529; 525's readers, packet 018): 'I was born in this century' contrasts Neville's birth with David's ancient era; it is not a claim about when he discovered his fatherhood of David.
  16. c. 1900 stated · refuted
    Source Poor Brother Donkey ¶20"a man in the 20th century", told in Poor Brother Donkey (nid 1983)
    Reasoning || v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900: year 1900 here is not a date. `corpus v1 / phase3b` emitted it as a placeholder for "unknown, sometime before the telling" whenever the speaker used a vague temporal phrase — this row's own source note is the phrase. The same sentinel was identified and converged on in run v1.1/l0.5/retype/w1-conv. It carried confidence `certain`, which no evidence supported. Lowered to `doubtful`; an honest `before 1971-10-18` bound is appended alongside from the telling lecture (nid 1983). Nothing deleted, no year invented. || v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900-refute: REFUTED. This event involves Neville himself and he was born 1905-02-19 (event 950 delta 9, `certain` + `preferred`), so 1900 is not merely unsupported — it is impossible. The event now displays no date, which is the honest state: the `before` bound appended by v1.1/l1.4/sentinel1900 remains and is what is actually known. Row kept, not deleted.
Place
Beverly Hills
Persons
Neville Goddard
David
Told / reported
  1. 1969 estimated
    Source Nature God Revealed Us
    Reasoning Passage 543944 clearly records this telling in lecture node 1774. The node's internal evidence establishes the delivery year 1969 at certain confidence, while its chrome sharpening to 1969-06-06 remains only probable after Class-B review. This told claim therefore preserves the certain year without overstating month or day precision.
  2. 14 November 1969 estimated
    Source Experience the Mystery of Christ
    Reasoning Passage 541282 clearly records this telling in lecture node 1501. Catalogue #621 and the node's own pre-strip 11/14/69 chrome dateline independently establish the exact 1969-11-14 delivery, so the told claim inherits certain confidence.
  3. 13 June 1969 stated
    Source Gods Mystery Christdelivery claim d1 on lecture nid 1825: chrome dateline '6/13/69', certain, independently triangulated by an unrelated hist_event (565) carried over from a deleted duplicate node's catalogue entry.
    Why nid 2002's telling of this same 139-day interval is left without a told date; that lecture has no delivery claims to draw on.
    Reasoning Of this event's two telling lectures, nid 1825 ('Gods Mystery Christ') has a certain, independently corroborated delivery date of 1969-06-13. The other telling lecture, nid 2002 ('Paul's Prayer Interpreted'), carries no delivery claims at all and is left undated here.
  4. 10 March 1972 stated
    Source You Must Experience GodYou Must Experience God (nid 1536), telling 1536-0, told 1972-03-10
  5. 11 January 1966 stated
    Source Behold the DreamerBehold the Dreamer (nid 1879), telling 1879-8, told 1966-01-11
  6. 26 February 1963 stated · probable
    Source His NameHis Name (nid 2018), telling 2018-3, told 1963-02-26
  7. 1971 stated · probable
    Source Those Who Know Thy NameThose Who Know Thy Name (nid 2173), telling 2173-2, told 1971
  8. 9 November 1970 stated
    Source Have You Found Him?God Action (nid 1884), telling 1884-3, told 1970-11-09
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  1. 10 November 1963 stated · doubtful
    Source Repent and Believe in the GospelRepent and Believe in the Gospel (nid 1966), telling 1966-4, told 1963-11-10
  2. 15 December 1968 stated · doubtful
    Source Who AM IWho AM I (nid 1554), telling 1554-1, told 1968-12-15
  3. 6 May 1968 estimated
    Source Who AM Idelivery claim d2 on lecture nid=1554 'Who AM I', chrome byline '5/6/68' independently corroborating catalog #441
    Reasoning The lecture's own most recent delivery analysis found an independent chrome byline confirming 1968-05-06 at certain, and explicitly demoted the 1968-12-15 catalog claim (#503) to doubtful, noting nothing in the transcript supports December. The event's existing told claim (1968-12-15, certain) rests on that now-demoted catalog value; this corrected claim uses the certain, corroborated delivery date instead.
  4. 6 June 1969 estimated · probable
    Source Nature God Revealed Usdelivery claim d1 on lecture nid=1774 'Nature God Revealed Us', chrome dateline 6/6/69, probable
    Reasoning The discovery is retold a second time in 'Nature God Revealed Us' (witness passage 543944), whose delivery carries an exact chrome dateline of 1969-06-06 at probable (a coarser but certain year-only claim, 1969, also exists on the same node from internal evidence -- 'this is 1969'). Confidence is capped at probable because that is the ceiling of the more precise delivery claim this told date is derived from.
  5. 14 November 1969 stated
    Source Experience the Mystery of ChristExperience the Mystery of Christ (nid 1501), telling 1501-8, told 1969-11-14
  6. 24 November 1964 stated
    Source Go Down to the Potter's HouseGo Down to the Potter's House (nid 1902), telling 1902-4, told 1964-11-24
  7. 1971 stated
    Source Poor Brother DonkeyPoor Brother Donkey (nid 1983), telling 1983-1, told 1971
  8. 18 October 1971 estimated
    Source Poor Brother Donkeylecture nid 1983, delivery claim d2 (stated/certain 1971-10-18, chrome dateline '10/18/1971', corroborated by an independent phase4 estimate and the catalogue year)
    Reasoning The existing field_told claim on this event gives only the year (1971) from node 1983; the node's own delivery date is now established at day precision and certain confidence, so this is a finer claim from the same source and a legitimate refinement, not a duplicate.
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  • Nature God Revealed Us ¶39 (So I knew nothing of being the father of David until that moment in time on the morning of the 6th of December, 1959. I never heard it from anyone else, never read it in a book and although I read scripture, I never saw it.)
  • Gods Purpose ¶39 (the birth from above took place on the 20th day of July of 1959, and this was the sixth day of December 1959—139 days later)
  • You Must Experience God ¶14 (When someone who supposedly lived three thousand years ago calls me “Father,” I know exactly that I am his father; there was no uncertainty as to this relationship. I am looking into the face of the most heavenly youth, and he was the one who called me f…)
  • Behold the Dreamer ¶29 (I did not know until revelation possessed me and it was revealed to me that the only begotten son that bears witness to the Father is David. It is David who showed me the fatherhood of God, that I am the Father.)
  • His Name ¶16 (I am the Father, that I do know, and you will be the Father of the same and only begotten Son of God. And when you see him, as I have seen him - and you will see him, and you are his Father - then you and I are one.)
  • Those Who Know Thy Name ¶57 (And if my son David calls you father, are we not one? How can you be the father of my son and not be my very self?)
  • Have You Found Him? ¶36 (I tell you, it has happened to me. I have found David and David has called me my Lord, my father and the rock of my salvation.)
  • Repent and Believe in the Gospel ¶16 (But the end has come, as far as I’m concerned, and so it was revealed to me what he hid. He hid the secret of his fatherhood: that no power in the world could show me that I’m a father but my son.)
  • Who AM I ¶12 (And yet, David by a chronological measurement is 1,000 B.C. I was born in this century. That’s 3,000 years difference and he is my ancestor by that…yet I am his Father.)
  • Experience the Mystery of Christ ¶46 (I have never read it in a book, I have never heard it from the lips of any other person, but I have experienced it.)
  • Go Down to the Potter's House ¶43 (Because I know from experience the day when I look in my mental state and see my David, this radiant being that supposedly lived 3,000 years ago, and I know the relationship of my son to myself his father.)
  • Poor Brother Donkey ¶20 (Who would have told me, a man born in this century, that I am the father of one recorded in scripture as having lived 3,000 years ago.)